2nd Gen Non-Engine/Transmission Engineers can be idiots!!!

[DSeamans]

I'm repainting the old truck. Wisconsin salt has taken its toll. I was pulling everything possible off to fix and paint separately. Went to take the front fenders off and the metal wheel tub is welded to the outer fender! To pull the fender both battery boxes, antilock module, air cleaner all have to come off. What happened to separate inner and outer fenders? I knew bumper and headlights had to come off, but this is rediculous!#@$%! With an old chevy or furd, both fenders are off in an hour or less. This takes most of a day. Oh well, I've vented and now I'd better get back at it. The worst part is, my father-in-law want me to do his 98 when I'm done when I'm done with mine.

 

[snuff]

that is funny...

 

[Grizzly]

DSeamans.



Your obviously not an engineer because if you were you wouldn't be referring to engineers as idiots. It takes a lot of higher education with classes in very tough math and science fields to be an engineer. Then if you do graduate from engineering school, you have to pass a very rigid Professional Engineers (PE) State Board exam to be called an engineer, which means you have to be pretty savvy. Many are washed out of engineering school because of the higher math classes. I have yet to see an engineer who's an idiot.



Your welded fenders is not an engineering discission anyway. It's most likely an upper management discission, which has to do with economics.

 

[strehl]

I feel your frustration. I program cnc lathes and mills and you should see some of the engineers fixes to there already messed up parts. Theres times when they give us prints for multiple parts of an assembly then when we get done machining them they want us to assemble the thing and theres no chance in #$*@ that it can go together.



It has been my experience that the engineers that have been "in the field" for many years are the only ones that can design a part that is machineable and works right. It also seems like the colleges teach the common sense out of engineers.

 

[DSeamans]

Grizzy, Wasn't saying all are or even any are all the time. I know the schooling isn't too shy of med school. The reason I was given was for structural rigidty as the fender assy supports the core support. I just couldn't believe you have to unbolt and move or remove so much (anti lock assy) just to pull a fender.



Dave

 

[LRutigliano]

DSeamans.



Your obviously not an engineer because if you were you wouldn't be referring to engineers as idiots. It takes a lot of higher education with classes in very tough math and science fields to be an engineer. Then if you do graduate from engineering school, you have to pass a very rigid Professional Engineers (PE) State Board exam to be called an engineer, which means you have to be pretty savvy. Many are washed out of engineering school because of the higher math classes. I have yet to see an engineer who's an idiot.



Your welded fenders is not an engineering discission anyway. It's most likely an upper management discission, which has to do with economics.

Grizzly, WOW! You are the MAN and spot on (as usual)!!!



Engineers have many customers; management, sales, marketing, finance, purchasing, QA, manufacturing, service, etc, etc and when a product is designed, all of these customers weigh in on what is important to them and its up to the engineering team to meet/beat everyone's input and criteria. I would suspect the issue described in this post is something that the manufacturing folks needed for ease of assembly or something that QA deemed needed for higher quality...

 

[CSnyder]

Ugh! All day to take a pair of fenders off? I can dismantle an entire 2nd gen Dodge truck in less than 6 hours to a rolling frame. You must not wrench on your truck much. My number is 563-546-7772 if you need any advice on how to remove something. I could do any of it in my sleep.



Chris

 

[LRutigliano]

Ugh! All day to take a pair of fenders off? I can dismantle an entire 2nd gen Dodge truck in less than 6 hours to a rolling frame. You must not wrench on your truck much. My number is 563-546-7772 if you need any advice on how to remove something. I could do any of it in my sleep.



Chris

OK, I guess I'll be calling you to R&R my 48RE and rebuild it with billet input/output shafts, 3x disc billet TC, reprogrammed VB, new clutches & steels and a new laminated flex plate... as I don't wrench on my truck enough to be able to do that... :-laf

 

[NoSeeUm]

Just remember, for engineering, it does not have to actually work. But, it does have to be able to be sold.



Jim

 

[Grizzly]

Just remember, for engineering, it does not have to actually work. But, it does have to be able to be sold.



Jim

How are you going to sell it if it doesn't work?

 

[CSkal]

How are you going to sell it if it doesn't work?

He won't... but the marketing will find a way!!! :-laf

 

[Grizzly]

He won't... but the marketing will find a way!!! :-laf

I wouldn't buy something that doesn't work. Would you?

 

[EdK]

Good Ol' Glenn

My 83 year old neighbor has a saying that fits perfectly here. "Some people are educated beyond their intelligence. "

 

[NoSeeUm]

How are you going to sell it if it doesn't work?

Sorry, was just supposed to be funny... .



Jim

 

[KHelfrich]

I am a Mechanical Engineer and all I can say i have worked with many people that can do engineering calculations and cant design anything to save there life. I saw a group in a senior design class design a trailer with a tongue so short that you could barely make a turn with the trailer hooked up to a truck but they had all the calculations for the dynamics of the suspension and frame rigidity for the trailer. also as far as what strehl was saying about machining parts I have worked for automation companies where several of the so called "engineers" designing parts for different assemblies that had to be machined, had no idea of what can be easily machined and what is very complex to machine and assembled most of these "engineers" had an associates degree in drafting at best you have to watch it in industry titles like engineer are thrown around like its nothing. in some stater for a company to be called xxxxxx engineering there must be a licensed PE but this is not true in all states. so basically there are real engineers and fake engineers 99% of the fake engineers suck and some of the real engineers suck at designing things too

 

[DieselDoghouse]

Growing up around engineers, begat by a brilliant one and with profound respect for many—because they're people too, yes, there is room for idiot engineers or good engineers having a BAAAD week. Lotsa truth to education beyond one's intelligence. Course, even in my profession the top-scorers in vet school have not made the best practitioners…

 

[DSeamans]

Engineers

Wow, I didn't think I'd stir the pot this much! I was just venting over what a PITA just to get a fender off. The guy I learned to paint from 25 years ago (Hes 70 and still builds rods and replicas) came over and looked at it. I had to laugh at his response. He called it an engineer's nightmare - he has a nightmare and when he wakes up he shares it with everyone through his work!:-laf

Dave

 

[CSnyder]

OK, I guess I'll be calling you to R&R my 48RE and rebuild it with billet input/output shafts, 3x disc billet TC, reprogrammed VB, new clutches & steels and a new laminated flex plate... as I don't wrench on my truck enough to be able to do that... :-laf

Deal! I only charge 45 per hour in my shop! but can you tell me what a reprogrammed VB is? I know all about drilling them out and planing them but never heard of reprogramming one. Ill ask Dave G when Im at the shop tomorrow with him.

 

[CSnyder]

Wow, I didn't think I'd stir the pot this much! I was just venting over what a PITA just to get a fender off. The guy I learned to paint from 25 years ago (Hes 70 and still builds rods and replicas) came over and looked at it. I had to laugh at his response. He called it an engineer's nightmare - he has a nightmare and when he wakes up he shares it with everyone through his work!:-laf

Dave

My offer to help is very valid and if your close enough in WI Ill even drop in sometime!

 

[Batphreak]

... there must be a licensed PE but this is not true in all states. so basically there are real engineers and fake engineers 99% of the fake engineers suck and some of the real engineers suck at designing things too

So, since I don't have my PE license (and I'm not going to get it) I'm a fake engineer? I have a 4-year Mechanical degree, I do plenty of design for a living. The last 10 years it was solenoid hydraulic valves for engine contorl applications, now I work on material handling equipment. I happen to believe guys in design need to keep their head out of the clouds, understanding the numbers is very important but you also need to understand what happens in the real world. I've spent plenty of time observing, and working in machine shops, as well as paying attention to how products are used in the field. The only use I've seen for PE is to sign off on public structure designs (bridges, dams, buildings, big stuff that civil engineers take care of). To boot, practically the only service station my vehicles see is my garage. I like playing engineer, though.