EPA is onto us.

[NVR FNSH]

Sled Puller I have to disagree with you to an extent - go figure that I'm going to disagree with you



I moved to Claremont, CA in '77 - less than 10 miles from the base of Mt Baldy, a ~9,500ft peak. You couldn't see the thing about half the time and your lungs would burn during the summer if you were outside doing anykind of physical activity. I lived in SoCal for the majority of the time between '77 & '00. As much as I disagree with the way CARB has implemented emissions requirements - stationary & mobile - I am the first to say that they have made a huge - read VISIBLE - improvement in air quality in SoCal. You could actually see Mt Baldy from Torrance when I left SoCal. I'm the first to complain about big corporations being able to buy pollution credits by scrapping junk cars but I also believe that reasonable, fact based emission limits are necessary to protect my FREEDOM (there's the favorite word of some of you ) to breathe - and not have my lungs burn. You are correct about other countries being way behind the curver regarding emissions - look across the border from San Diego into Tijuana at the burning tires..... Not sure how to address the international issue.



Here's a thought - I know it's a dangerous thing:

I believe that Banks claims its products are CARB approved. Are other companies - BD, DD, Blue Chip etc - obtaining CARB exemptions for there products? Maybe this would explain some of the cost differences.



Brian

 

[Champane Flight]

Really

I really don't see individual car or pollution being the source of the problem. I see the number of cars and trucks on the road the real problem. And the number of people in the car. I see it every day, Mom needs a jug of milk, run to the store. Ten minutes later she needs some sugar, run to the store. An hour later run to pick up the kids at school (even if they are only four blocks away). Then its time to take the kids to band practice, run em over there. And it goes on and on... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...



To truley reduce emissions we need to examine our own habits and start backing mass transit. The front range of Colo is a perfect example. Between Colo Springs and Denver people commute every day. The state is widening the highway by two lanes and expect to be done by 2006. By the time they are done they will have to widen another two! This is a waste, people in these areas are going to have to suck it up and give up the one person per car conveinence. This goes for all major citys in the US . A high speed rail service is needed badly. Of course they will have to pass laws to get people to ride it, then put up with a great whine... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...



I have to say that if someone decides to smoke out someone and gets caught. That is thier problem not mine. I don't play stupid truck games.

 

[danandamy]

Originally posted by illflem

Dan, I don't see how you can call protecting the majority from having to breathe foul air created by the few a loss of freedom. I feel it's the other way around, the few smoke belchers are taking away the majority's freedom to breathe clean air...

I don't think there is anyone who can honestly say they like air pollution.

Your right. It's also not fair that I have to pay higher insurance rates because people eat too much fast food and get heart disease. The government should see to that too. Also, I think the majority should be protected from old ladies' driving not to mention teen agers, who hasn't seen how dangerous THEY are. I'm hoping maybe some of these cameras they have set up can catch the smoke belchers not to mention maybe they could start writing up tickets to people who are driving alone in their car. Of course, there will always be someone who will want to flaunt the law by cheating to get around the rules. Myself, I'll just set the trusty real doll in the front seat, maybe they won't be able to tell the difference!



outlawdan

 

[dseabaugh]

smoke

Back in the '70s through the early 80's the smallest and oldest tractor we had on the farm was a 5010 John Deere (1963? model) 513 non turbo cubic inches. That weighed about 15,000# but only put out 110 horsepower. When we went to town (about 3 miles ) we could tell if the old 5010 was still running because it left a black trail in the sky as it went back and forth across the field :--) . Wouldn't epa like that. Many tractors later we have a Rome with 1100? cu inch 3408 Cat that puts 475 hp to the drawbar and weighs 46,000 lbs. Now that is real muscle:--) .

 

[dseabaugh]

5010

I forgto to saw that the 5010 smoked that way from the day we got it till the day we sold it and we never touched it unlike one of it's turbo added 5020 brothers that went to tractor pulls because it would spin to bad to use in the field for work.

 

[NVR FNSH]

Originally posted by danandme





Your right. It's also not fair that I have to pay higher insurance rates because people eat too much fast food and get heart disease. The government should see to that too.

Last time I checked I couldn't get heart or liver disease from you eating fastfood or drinking a fifth of scotch everyday. Only slightly different than airborne pollutants emitted from cars/factories/cigarettes.



Brian

 

[Chad Sheets]

Well, I have not heard anymore about this. The next time I drove by all was open and well, which is good to hear. I didnt post this to cause the owner, the workers or anyone else any grief.



Hopefuly its a done deal. I do know for a fact that we have DOT vehicles in this area with all the lights and test stuff. I do know for a fact I see them behind trucks and big rigs at least 3 times a week on the way to work. I do know for a fact that I went by the shop in question and it was closed at the time on the day I swung by... for what reason, I dont know for sure. I do know for a fact one guy walking around the shop the day it was closed confirmed what I said. I do know for a fact I passed a DOT car on the way to the shop in question that day... which is on a country road in the middle of no where.



If he (the guy jacking his jaw at the shop)was full of BS or what, I dont know. If that is the case, then there is a bunch of people talking about it and the BS bug must be making its rounds. A farmer I know heard the same thing 3 counties away before I first heard of it.



Like I said, if its all wrong, great. I dont want to see any of us or the people who "help" us in trouble. Regardless, it is a good wake up call for us if nothing else.