Ever hear of a toilet paper oil filter?

[Crunch]

Originally posted by Gary - KJ6Q

As far as "channeling" is concerned, if the TP is tightly enough wound, and then trimmed in diameter so that it is a TIGHT force-fit into the canister, it's pretty hard for channeling to occur - never been a problem here, and my analysis speaks for itself!

Any chance you could drop a few brand names here? Other than the industrial TP used in schools and factories, Scott TP is the only brand I can think of that fits that description. This whole concept is pretty cool, considering that I thought I was being handed a line of BS.

 

[Pawpaw]

Originally posted by Gary - KJ6Q

GOTTA love the doubters who try to find flaws in something so well documented to work with excellence!

No doubter here. I saw one on a gasser in 1972. That was the cleanest looking oil I had ever seen, other than straight out of the (then) can. In fact, it looked like it had just been poured in. It had 15 or 20,000 miles on it, if I remember correctly.



How often do you change the TP roll? The website talked about every 2,000 miles. That seems a bit extreme.

 

[krs]

I never meant to imply that the filters don't work, only that the result posted was not the result obtained from the pictured engine. Some innocent could have been misled with false expectations.



There was no real need for posting the source you used, Gary, with "the standard sized rolls used in public restrooms". It could start a series of copycat episodes and cumulatively result in unneeded discomfort amongst users of public restrooms all across the land. People should give consideration to the possible effect of their posts in a forum with as many readers as this one apparently enjoys.

 

[rbattelle]

Dumb question: are you supposed to remove the cardboard tube at the center of the TP or not?

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

You do not remove the center tube - doubt it's possible anyway without destroying the TP roll. Simply peel off enough TP outer wrap to leave a roll about 1/4 inch larger all around than the inner diameter of the canister, and then as you twist the roll slightly, PUSSSSHHH the roll inside the canister all the way in...



As for paper brand, yes, Scott is the brand I most often use - when I can't "borrow" one from a service station...

 

[fkovalski]

Allright already- April fool's is over. fess up on the real story about this $#!t paper filter set up. Hell- it only took me a day before it dawned on me as to what yesterday was. He!!, I even fell for it.

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

I forgot to respond to the question about frequency for changing TP cartridges - I usually like to go about 5000 miles on my oil, and change the TP once in that mileage - after all, it only takes a couple of minutes, the way mine is mounted, it's real easy to get to, and NO mess. The fact that the filters only costs pennies helps too...



I have to add one quart of oil to make up for what the cartridge absorbs, which is a GOOD thing, since that restores the lube additives depleted in normal oil use.

 

[DBrickel]

Let me see---- I have bought a $35000. 00 truck and I use toilet paper for and oil filter Not in my truck. Oil filters are cheap. Why would I do that?

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

"Let me see---- I have bought a $35000. 00 truck and I use toilet paper for and oil filter Not in my truck. Oil filters are cheap. Why would I do that?"



UMMMmm - maybe to keep the oil FAR cleaner than that full flow filter ever is capable of? OR perhaps you missed the oil analysis report further up above, typical of ALL the reports I get WITH the TP bypass...



ALSO, perhaps you don't realize MANY commercial and industrial users employ TP and paper towel bypass filters on their VERY expensive and sometimes life saving installations - now WHY do you suppose THEY would do a silly thing like that?



OH, by the way, most over the counter oil and air filters are made of... (gasp!) P-A-P-E-R!

 

[rbattelle]

Originally posted by DBrickel

Let me see---- I have bought a $35000. 00 truck and I use toilet paper for and oil filter Not in my truck. Oil filters are cheap. Why would I do that?

This statement oozes ignorance from every letter. Sorry to say it, but it's true.



[go ahead, I'm flame retardant ]

 

[PRout]

No flame suit necessary... And the following comments are not directed personally to anyone. Its a blanket statement.



Some people think this is old technology, and dont trust it. Thats understandable.



Some of us have done the research, the testing and/or have been using them for years, w/o problems. We like having clean oil run through our motors, some like the ability to extend the life of the oil way out past the recommended 3k intervals.



I believe particles in the 10-20 micron range size cause the majority of oil-related wear in our motors, and the TP filter removes most of that, down to 1 micron.



We feel like stated above that we prefer extra filtered clean oil running through our babies. We also know that the TP is not leaving the unit, only fresh oil is. If there was any detected in our oil analysis' we would quit using them. Its not there. The oil is clean.



Additionally, you dont give up your OEM oil filter, this is in addition to your OEM filter. It is not in series w/ that filter either. It has its own parallel path, that is a very low flow, and trickles through the paper canister. It does not affect the original OEM filter, you continue to use your standard high flow filtration system.



Dont buy one if youre concerned, thats all there is to it. No one is twisting anyone's arm. Were only answering questions, not trying to sell you ours.

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

Just a slight additional comment to the above, before full-flow filters, somewhere in the 50's I believe, ALL oil filters used in vehicles were "bypass filters" - they only filtered a relatively small volume of the total oil flow - and some of those were nothing more than a simple bag of cotton wadding in a sock that the oil (hopefully) filtered thru before being returned to the crankcase.



Full flow filters were a definite improvement, providing a decent degree of filtration to ALL the oil before passing it on to vital engine parts - what was still missing, was the far GREATER degree of filtration of smaller wear particles that contribute greatly to engine wear - that is where the return of good quality BYPASS filtration comes in - it is in wide use by many customers, DOES perform exceptionally well, and as pointed out above, does NOT replace or compromise the OEM stock full flow filter - it simply supplements it!

 

[DBrickel]

Originally posted by Gary - KJ6Q

"Let me see---- I have bought a $35000. 00 truck and I use toilet paper for and oil filter Not in my truck. Oil filters are cheap. Why would I do that?"



UMMMmm - maybe to keep the oil FAR cleaner than that full flow filter ever is capable of? OR perhaps you missed the oil analysis report further up above, typical of ALL the reports I get WITH the TP bypass...



ALSO, perhaps you don't realize MANY commercial and industrial users employ TP and paper towel bypass filters on their VERY expensive and sometimes life saving installations - now WHY do you suppose THEY would do a silly thing like that?



OH, by the way, most over the counter oil and air filters are made of... (gasp!) P-A-P-E-R!

Sorry Gary, Not trying to start a war. I just don't think an added filter is needed. I changeoil on a regular basis and engine interior is whistle clean from all indications.

A funny story. --- My ex brother-in-law had a frantz filter years ago and went to chane it one day andwas out of TP. His alternative was his wifes kotex stuffed inplace. Got any test results for that

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

SORRY, but the size level of engine-damaging contaminents we're concerned with here are NOT the sort you will ever "see" with the naked eye - or even a magnifying glass! So the fact your engine "looks" clean really may not tell the whole story - oil analysis WILL!



BUT, as is often stated here, it's your engine - do with it as you please...

 

[PRout]

Originally posted by DBrickel

His alternative was his wifes kotex stuffed inplace. Got any test results for that

Done feeding the rat. Time to exit, stage left. .

 

[Chipstien]

So what can these TP filter be had for. Some initial searches have been coming up with prices above 300 dollars. That is way too spendy for a cylindrical piece of aluminum that holds a roll off TP and some tubing. Something like that can't be more then 2. 00 in materials. Don't get me wrong, I am considering changing from my Amsoil BMK-15 to the Fleetguard Stratopore and a TP Bypass because Amsoil products are not readily available near my house. Where is the cheapest place to pick these filters up.

 

[Jeremiah]

Well-stated!

Originally posted by Shortshift

No flame suit necessary... And the following comments are not directed personally to anyone. Its a blanket statement.



Some people think this is old technology, and dont trust it. Thats understandable.



Some of us have done the research, the testing and/or have been using them for years, w/o problems. We like having clean oil run through our motors, some like the ability to extend the life of the oil way out past the recommended 3k intervals.



I believe particles in the 10-20 micron range size cause the majority of oil-related wear in our motors, and the TP filter removes most of that, down to 1 micron.



We feel like stated above that we prefer extra filtered clean oil running through our babies. We also know that the TP is not leaving the unit, only fresh oil is. If there was any detected in our oil analysis' we would quit using them. Its not there. The oil is clean.



Additionally, you dont give up your OEM oil filter, this is in addition to your OEM filter. It is not in series w/ that filter either. It has its own parallel path, that is a very low flow, and trickles through the paper canister. It does not affect the original OEM filter, you continue to use your standard high flow filtration system.



Dont buy one if youre concerned, thats all there is to it. No one is twisting anyone's arm. Were only answering questions, not trying to sell you ours.

Well-stated, cuz! A very measured response!

 

[rbattelle]

Originally posted by Chipstien

So what can these TP filter be had for. Some initial searches have been coming up with prices above 300 dollars. That is way too spendy for a cylindrical piece of aluminum that holds a roll off TP and some tubing. Something like that can't be more then 2. 00 in materials. Don't get me wrong, I am considering changing from my Amsoil BMK-15 to the Fleetguard Stratopore and a TP Bypass because Amsoil products are not readily available near my house. Where is the cheapest place to pick these filters up.

Check out www.bypassfilter.com . Very reasonable.



Also www.wefilterit.com .

 

[amsoilman]

because Amsoil products are not readily available near my house.

I hardly understand a statement like this! All Amsoil products can be shipped directly to wherever you want them shipped. Now I ask, how inconvenient can that be?



Now I am not flaming anyone, I'm just stating a very good feature in my mind.

Wayne

amsoilman

 

[amsoilman]

Full flow filters were a definite improvement, providing a decent degree of filtration to ALL the oil before passing it on to vital engine parts - what was still missing, was the far GREATER degree of filtration of smaller wear particles that contribute greatly to engine wear - that is where the return of good quality BYPASS filtration comes in - it is in wide use by many customers, DOES perform exceptionally well, and as pointed out above, does NOT replace or compromise the OEM stock full flow filter - it simply supplements it!

Well said, Gary. The earliest adaptation of the modern oil filter came about in 1923, when Ernest Sweetland introduced his invention known as the “Purolator”, a combination of the words "Pure Oil Later. " Incorporated into the lubricating system after the oil pump and before the oil flows into the engine bearings, the original Purolator featured an upright series of seven twill weave cloth-covered, perforated plates encased in a heavy-duty cast container. It also had a sight feed glass on one side, enabling the owner to see the oil flow and change the filter when flow slowed to a trickle.

Prior to 1943, most oil filters were of the "by-pass" variety, only filtering about 10 percent of the oil at a time.



The modern disposable “Spin-On” oil filter design was introduced in 1955, replacing “cartridge” type filters which had to be placed in a special housing or canister. These types of filters became known as spin-on “throwaway” filters and made changing filters much easier, and more convenient. The Technology progressed throughout the 1960’s and spin on oil filters soon became standard on virtually all American, European and Japanese Automobile designs.



Wayne

amsoilman