Everyone wanting to Bomb their truck - please have a look! (long)

[GiesJ]

I was thinking about comparisons across the dodge family of trucks and had a question. What year truck with what transmission is the easiest to bomb?



Specifically, if I want 380-410 HP to the ground, which truck will get me there the easiest and cheapest? And, what will it take to get XX year truck to this HP rating? If we get enough information, someone with a new (to them) truck of any year can see what needs to be done to get a pretty serious HP truck. Is 380+ hp even possible with some of the 1st generation trucks? What are the model differences? I know that there are some differences within the 12 valve pumps, the 24V has the HO and non-HO and etc.



So, if you would like - list the year, transmission, and mods required to meet this requirement of 380-410. (and of course HP. ) Please too, if you have proven dyno numbers report them. Also, living at 7200+ feet, I am interested in what elevation you are running at.



Since I don’t know that much about 1st gen trucks and just barely more about 12 valves and 3rd gens, I suspect it would be something like this:



1998. 5-2000 (non-HO 24 V) with 5 speed

clutch (approx price)

injectors (approx price)

fueling box (approx price)

turbo, air filter, exhaust, etc (prices)

approx or dyno HP at your altitude

Sum investment



I suspect that a 24 V 5 or 6 speed would be the lowest investment to attain this HP range. Regardless, I think it would be neat to see what everyone has done and we would have a nice comparison thread so that someone could see that a particular configuration is available, approximate investment, and approximate HP.



I hope this isn’t a repeated topic, if so, please point me in the right direction. Thanks!

Jason

 

[Cummins4Life]

01 2500 Auto 4x4

DTT Exchange Trans- 4K installed (could have been cheaper, wanted a one time fix)

BullyDog2's (80hp)- 400 used

DD DragUFM- 500 used

PDR HX35/12- New with core, ended up being 400

ScottyII- 200

5" Exhaust- 500 installed

I dynoed 417 hp, I imagine i'm in the 390-410 range.

I live at 4700' and up to 6000' now and then. Anything over 3000' and it needs more air than the 35 can provide.

 

[JLinder]

My last truck...



'01 24v ETC 5 speed 4x4



Edge Comp $550

DDII's $600

AFE Mega Cannon $225

4" exhaust $450

Gauges $300

Clutch $800





Dyno'd 435 hp & 883 lb/ft. I live near sea-level.

 

[Deezul1]

417hp on the dyno at Diesel Dynamics in Las Vegas. Thanks to DD for free dyno runs at MM 02

370s $250

#11 plate $250

4K GSK $0 Thanks to Don

16cm housing $0 Thanks to Cody

AFE filter only. $50

SBC Con O $600



97 CC 5speed

 

[MCummings]

'98. 5 24V S. O. (now a 6-speed)



SBC, CON OFE 13" Conversion = $1,000 ?

DD Mega Mentals Used = $600

PDR HX-40/18 New w/DP = $1,275

Pusher pump kit -6 lines = $500

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... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... . = $3,375



Other little things,,



Gauges $400



ATS Manifold $450



Injector Corossover tubes $90



AFE Mega-Cannon $350



Stacks $1,000



Dyno Run, $50, 456. 9RWHP, 950. 0 Ft/Lbs



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... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... Total misc. = $2,340



EGR Brakes, Clear Taillights, Sound System, TV screen, Playstation, and Numerous rear tires not included in price.



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The '03's are very promising, with BullyDog offering a 140HP plug-in box. That setup puts you close to the ballpark you are looking for.



ALSO,, You didn't mention if you wanted USEABLE HP, or just peak HP. 500RWHP is not hard for a dyno, or 1/4 mile pass, but 500RWHP pulling 20,000Lbs, takes alot more $$.



Hope this helps,

Merrick Cummings Jr



BTW: My truck is setup to use all 450RWHP



EDIT: I have a PDR Head, and a PDR CAM ready to put on the truck, begining of next week.

 

[GiesJ]

Thanks for everyone's posts so far. To clarify, I'm interested in usable HP, not necessarly a dyno or 1/4 queen.

no real news yet from the 1st Gen guys, what's up?

J

as a follow up, with my 98 24, I think I will need the following to reach my goal:

- stage 2s

- Comp

- Clutch

- turbo upgrade (choices choices) at 7200' I think I will have temp issues...

- 4" ?

 

[therabbittree]

i know old smokey made about 450rwhp with a VE pump in a first gen with honed pods and hx40. .

there are a few 300-400 hp ve pumps in the firstgens and some have swpped to the p pump. . check out the forum

later

deo

\x/ hillfolk!

 

[Blakers]

Originally posted by GiesJ

I'm interested in usable HP, not necessarly a dyno or 1/4 queen.

Dyno HP is usable HP on these engines. They're not like gas engines that can put out XX HP at 8,000 rpm that you would never use.



The cheapest way to get to the horsepower you want is probably with a 12 valve and 7100 pump. Basically all you need is a plate, turbo housing and set of injectors. That should get there easily. You'll have to back it up with a good clutch or triple disc TC as you will on any Ram with lots of power.

 

[GiesJ]

Blakers -

Let me clarify - when I say usable - I mean (and may be way off so let me know) that I can tow if needed (I don't tow often but if I need to, I don't want to have to swap out injectors or something like that) and it can handle the altitude. Merrick's setup is sweet, but I gaurentee he would have serious EGT problems in my town.



Also, I have a 98. 5 and will continue to have that one, this is not a 'what truck should I buy to cheaply get to 400 hp' just something that I thought would be interesting to see the various combo's, altitude and HP numbers. Thank you for everyone's responses.

jason