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Not sure what the price of the exhaust brake is, but am fairly certain it is more than I want to pay (maybe).



Can the brake be added by the dealer later (like a year after purchase), without affecting the remaining warranty?



Looking at an '06 with 6 speed... not sure how bad the manual transmission would be with regards to accelerating downhill if it were downshifted to a lower gear to help use engine braking.
 
The brake itself will range from a grand to $1250 or so. It pays to shop around. Installation extra, but if you're reasonably handy, the Jacobs is not a bad project to put in. It can be done at any time.



Don't know how much experience you have with a diesel, but it won't hold you back like a gasser on the same transmission. The brakes on the Ram are perfectly adequate for stopping you running around bareback or with moderate loads, but you'll also need them to hold you back on decent downgrades. The e-brake is a similar concept (only opposite) to a throttle plate on a gas engine. On the gasser, the resistance to the vacuum created when the throttle plate closes is what slows you down. With the e-brake, it's the backpressure from the throttle-like plate in the exhaust. It makes quite a difference. If I'm turning over 2500 in the lower gears and back of the go-pedal, it'll throw me into the shoulder belt, just like steppin' on the whoa pedal that I haven't stepped on yet. Brings to mind my mis-spent youth and a hard downshift on the old '66 Goat.



You have two options. I think they charge less for it if you order it as an option when new. If that price gives you pause, you can have it installed later, but it will cost considerably more. If the initial cost still gives you pause, you may want to try driving it without one and see how it handles for your needs/expectaions.



I wouldn't tow anything over 5k without one in the country I travel in, and find it comes in pretty handy for trimming up my speed running bareback, too. Generally, if it's not slick out, it's on.
 
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The Jake Brake comes with a vacuum pump. Pac Brakes have the compressor.

so then could the pac brake compressor be used to activate air lockers or inflate tires. also, does the pac brake us a dash switch?
 
I believe it does, but that only activates the solenoid to engage the brake. I'd do a search on air compressors in the third generation engine forum. I remember (barely) that it was a hot topic at the beginning of this year when Jake Brakes were pulled from shelves by DC.
 
Dealer price for the '05 version of the Jacobs brake was 1325 earlier this year. I bought mine off of Ebay for about 700 including shipping. Kit included everything needed. Instructions were 'pretty good' Had previously installed a BD brake on a 98 (12 valve) with a friends help----took about 3 hours (diesel shop upgraded valve springs to 60 lb variety)--------relatively easy install... ... ... ... . thought my '05 would be comparatively easy... ... ... NOT. Took lots longer due to less working space in the engine compartment. Extremely happy with the final install and would be quite a bit quicker if I had to do it again.



Quality of the parts is extraordinary. Computer functioning was well thought out. -> Brake comes on at idle to warm up engine & turns off when water temp hits 180. Computer allows two seconds to shift before brake engages eliminating unnecessary cycling. Brake will not come on with any throttle pressure. Works with cruise control to maintain downhill speed. In my case, empty or with small trailers, I can stay at 55 on 6-7% grades. Heavier loads require a bit of pedal braking to maintain, but the Jacobs brake sure helps.



Using the Jacobs brake maintains warranty. Plus brake shoes should last a whole lot longer. No brake and you might as well be in neutral. Downshift and you just redline faster.



The actual brake is a big hunk of cast iron which replaces the stock exhaust elbow off the back of the turbo. It requires vacuum to operate. The brake kit includes a vacuum pump, vacuum solenoid, longer fan belt, hoses, and necessary wiring to get it hooked up to the computer and a switch inside the cab.



The hard parts of the install were getting the brake elbow lined up with the turbo... . could've used a extra hand with that..... and the fan belt... ... . isn't the easiest thing in the world to get off... ... ... ... . patience required there. The nerve part is hooking two wires into the ECM. Put 'em in the wrong holes and they say you need a special tool to get 'em back out.



I never asked a dealer what they charge for installation, but based on oil change prices, I know it would be out of my price range.



The Jacobs website had all the info I needed for my brake.
 
you said "using the jacobs brake maintains warranty. " and this thread is talking about "05 trucks" can you back that statement?
 
PacBrake air compressor is too small for inflating tires. On off switch can be dash mounted. I went with the gear shift mount for my 6 speed - wonderful. PacBrake sells a small pressure tank that gives quicker brake response - about 1 second. I mounted mine outside the frame behind RF wheel.
 
I am waiting on mine. I ordered from a Cummins dealer. I will install my self. The dealer siad it will be less than $ 1000. 00 with tax. The dodge dealer wanted above $1800. installed and $1340. 00 carry out.

John
 
RPiltz said:
you said "using the jacobs brake maintains warranty. " and this thread is talking about "05 trucks" can you back that statement?



Jacobs brakes have been approved on Dodge trucks for years with the manual transmission.
 
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RPiltz said:
you said "using the jacobs brake maintains warranty. " and this thread is talking about "05 trucks" can you back that statement?



I had the dealer install the Jacobs before I took delivery. It has both a Jacobs and a Mopar part #, and not only does it NOT void the warranty, it is warranted under the 3 year/36K warranty. I got it noted to that effect on the sales slip.
 
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