EZ, Juice or Smarty...

[Rhinohd]

You got it folks another post asking for advice!!!



I have an 04. 5 and would like to get one of these two. I am a pretty mellow driver but I like to have the power there when I need it. I snow plow in the winter and pull a couple of quads in the summer. Thats about it. I get bad milage now (12MPG) so any improvement would be a plus... .



As far as mods go I have NONE, it's pure stock...

I plan on installing the following and thats it (for now lol)

AFE stage 2

EZ, Juice or Smarty

Gauges...



I wouldn't be running any higher then Level 2 or 3 on the smarty...



I have been a member on here for some time and love to read everything you folks have to say! Thanks In Advance!

 

[Augie]

Here goes another . 02c

I have bombed a second gen before using Edge, all fine products.

I am going to get a Smarty for my 3rd gen next week. Why? I am still under warranty. So for now I will stay stock using SW#3 60 hp with added timing. I like like what I've read read so far on it. Undetectable, ease of use, and upgradeable. I've followed the development on it and feel good about Marco's programming skills for CTD's. Each unit has its share of pros and cons and you will hear everyones validation for it, but this where I'm spending my Christmas!

 

[OT-OF-HERE!!]

Mods

If you plan to stop at this mod then just go with the EZ and you don't have to do anything else special to your truck except you'd need an egt gauge. Also even with the EZ,... don't run it on it's highest level every day as they are hard on injectors.



If over time you plan to grow your mods then if I had it to do all over again I'd go with a SMARTY and keep it low,... like SW3 until I had supporting mods to go with it so I don't mess up other things. Oo.

 

[JVolpe]

Well you might as well get the Smarty and run no higher than SW #3 like OT suggested until you have supporting mods to go higher. It is easier to go back to stock with the Smarty than a box. I have seen the best mileage increase with my Smarty than any other performance mod so far, but I am way past stock mods now.

 

[Rhinohd]

Can someone explain the diffrence between the time and no timing setting on the smarty??? Thanks for the help!!!

 

[Luken]

Can someone explain the diffrence between the time and no timing setting on the smarty??? Thanks for the help!!!

I'd like to hear it as well... I don't see how you can gain 170hp WITHOUT added timing.



The VA duration only box (100hp) gets SUPER hot with no timing added.



I'm curious to know how the Smarty can pull that off with the same temps as the "added timing" settings.



Lucas

 

[OT-OF-HERE!!]

Hmmmmm

I'd like to hear it as well... I don't see how you can gain 170hp WITHOUT added timing.



The VA duration only box (100hp) gets SUPER hot with no timing added.



I'm curious to know how the Smarty can pull that off with the same temps as the "added timing" settings.



Lucas

Danged redneck K I A,..... just can't slip much by 'em!!

 

[Augie]

Can someone explain the diffrence between the time and no timing setting on the smarty??? Thanks for the help!!!

Timing: Smarty timing settings.

No Timing: Lets you use a seperate timing box with Smarty.

 

[Luken]

Timing: Smarty timing settings.

No Timing: Lets you use a seperate timing box with Smarty.

Then why do you have to get adjustable timing put on the "other" box... and turn it off (of close to off) to get along with the Smarty's timing. (on the Even numbers).



I swear I'm not trying to start an arguement. I would just like to learn how it works.

 

[Augie]

Then why do you have to get adjustable timing put on the "other" box... and turn it off (of close to off) to get along with the Smarty's timing. (on the Even numbers).



I swear I'm not trying to start an arguement. I would just like to learn how it works.

You've already answered it. Turn off your box if you want Smarty timing. Or use the no added timing setting if you want to use your own timing box. It was desinged this way for those who will stack. They are trying to prevent software conflicts by running two timing programs simultaneously.

 

[Luken]

Maybe I wasn't clear enough...



If you have the Smarty on EVEN numbers... (no timing)



You STILL have timing rattle with a box that adds timing. It does not matter what setting you have the Smarty on it has timing rattle when stacked with a box like the tst.



The odd numbers are far worse but you still get timing rattle on even numbers.







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[Augie]

I understand a timing box will rattle regardless of Smarty setting. If the Smarty is on an even number (no timing) it only means the Smarty itself is not adding any timing it does not mean it has stopped timing boxes because the even number settings are designed for those wanting to use a separate timing box. The Smarty odd numbers SW# (added timing) is just that, using the Smarty timing program. Using a separate timing box plus a Smarty odd SW# might produce the software conflicts I described earlier.

 

[Rhinohd]

Sorry but I am a little new to diesel performance, but Im learning!



What is the "rattle" you folks are talking about??? I do NOT plan on stacking so will I still encounter the rattle?



I may do a trans and injectors sometime in the future so maybe the smarty is the way to go...



What kind of milage gains could I expect in the lower settings with the smarty???



Augie Thanks for explaining the "timing", "no timing" to me!!!



Oh, and does anyone know the TQ numbers for the Smarty settings???

 

[Augie]

Rattling is just another way of saying the box is functioning or performing its timing chores. The Smarty is an ECM programmer that has no more physical activity with the ECM once you program and disconnect the unit. It works based on the options you chose a like Superchips or Hypertech tuner only much better! Bob Wagner told me the Smarty comes standard with Mild Torque Management. Which to me is more performance than stock TQ and less than Moderate TQ for the big power set ups. You can download the TQ management of your choosing. He also mentioned mileage improvements. There are some posts about this.

 

[Bodie]

Maybe I wasn't clear enough...



If you have the Smarty on EVEN numbers... (no timing)



You STILL have timing rattle with a box that adds timing. It does not matter what setting you have the Smarty on it has timing rattle when stacked with a box like the tst.



The odd numbers are far worse but you still get timing rattle on even numbers.







Not

This is true, I believe the "timing" settings just have more timing than the so called "no timing" settings.

 

[the whale dog]

In My opinion go with the edge with either the attitude or te new a2 then you get all the guages and a computer for the same money it only took an 1. 5 houras to install it so unless your planning to bomb big the edge is plenty just my opinion

 

[Rhinohd]

Thank For All your help folks! I just ordered a Smarty! I will let you know how it goes!

 

[Luken]

This is true, I believe the "timing" settings just have more timing than the so called "no timing" settings.

That's exactly what I think.



I think the "no timing" is just advertised so it will be a BIG selling point to guys that don't know better.



In my experience and from what I've read, The "timing" settings have more timing than the "no timing" settings... . But, The "no timing" settings STILL have timing.



If not, then why do you need adjustable timing put on a TST to stack with the "no timing" smarty levels?

 

[RobertP]

That's exactly what I think.



I think the "no timing" is just advertised so it will be a BIG selling point to guys that don't know better.



In my experience and from what I've read, The "timing" settings have more timing than the "no timing" settings... . But, The "no timing" settings STILL have timing.



If not, then why do you need adjustable timing put on a TST to stack with the "no timing" smarty levels?

i think the smarty uses stock timing on the "no timeing #'s" and on the timing #'s it modifies timeing, but to get the same power with out timeing? i would say it should run really hot w/ out added timeing?

 

[Luken]

i think the smarty uses stock timing on the "no timeing #'s" and on the timing #'s it modifies timeing, but to get the same power with out timeing? i would say it should run really hot w/ out added timeing?

This is the real kicker... .



The Bully Dog adds timing. BUT, It will stack just fine with the tst (which also adds timing)



I've talked to several guys that have the Smarty/Tst stack and they had to get the adjustable timing put on their tst box to stack with the Smarty on even numbers... .



It just doesn't make sense... .



I wish someone would tell me how you can add 170hp with NO added timing and have normal EGT's...