Engine/Transmission (1998.5 - 2002) EZ plus Power pack

[cummin2pass]

I have the Banks power Pack and wondered if I can also use an EZ.

I have read post that say an EZ is good for low rpm power.

Has anyone done this or no it will work.

I think the Banks is fuel only and the EZ is timing only.

If you know I could use your help. I know this

isn’t the way most people get power, but this is all I have now.

 

[Sootscooter]

I just took my Banks Ottomind chip out of the truck and added an Edge Comp Box. I was told that it was not possible to Piggyback off the Banks chip. Good luck... .

 

[C.MILLER]

The company that I bought the EZ from said that it was possible to stack the EZ with the Ottomind, so thats exactly what I did. Works great for me!! Hope this helps.

 

[NPloysa]

Power Pack

I am not too familiar with the Banks Power Pack. Can someone tell me what it all includes?



Thank you.



Nick

 

[DirtyDodge]

I talked with banks tech support today, I have the Big Hoss module and am considering doing the same thing. They told me that I can stack the banks module with a timing only module. Hope this helps. How do your DDIIs work with the ottomind? Did you have any issues adding them with the banks module?

 

[cummin2pass]

C. MILLER

Does the EZ have different modes or is it timing only.





DirtyDodge

It works great with the DD2's. I have the PDR35 with 12cm2.

I get boost very fast and I don't have any temp problem.



NPloysa

The power Pack is a kit. It has the chip, gauges, tail pipe, high pressure waste gate actuator, air intake, air filter for stock box, and 14cm 2 turbo housing.



RKillian

Does the Edge Comp do timing and fuel?

 

[NPloysa]

The Banks Powerpack must cost an arm and a leg and an ear...



Are you guys happy with it?



Nick

 

[cummin2pass]

I bought the gauges and chip from the TDR classifieds.

I bought the 4” down pipe from a guy on Ebay and made the rest from parts at a truck shop.

I bought the wastegate actuator from Banks.

I got the air filter from Local parts store.

The air intake from a TDR vendor.



I couldn’t afford it all at once.

Just one piece at a time.

 

[C.MILLER]

cummin2pass,

The EZ is for both the timing and fuel, and there are 3 settings that are adjustable inside the box.

 

[DirtyDodge]

Originally posted by NPloysa

The Banks Powerpack must cost an arm and a leg and an ear...



Are you guys happy with it?



Nick

The truck cost an arm and a leg and an ear, the after market stuff is minor compared to that...

 

[ThrottleJockey]

Whooaa !!!! Hang on a second!!



Is this a HO you're doing this with???!!



If it is STOP and read this first!! The combination of the Ottomind fuel module and the Edge EZ are akin to putting a detonator under your hood! Ottominds have variable timing and EZs ADVANCE timing, compounding a problem 2001 HO have when they leave the factory. Unusually high cylinder pressure and a fueling box that can't recognize this and defuel because advancing timing will lower EGTs. The Ottomind USES high EGTs as a warning to DEFUEL the VP-44, an already relativly 'fragile' injection pump to begin with. The EZ will 'blind' the Ottomind and create a 'runaway fueling' situation controllable only with your right foot. You think your truck is okay because you only see 1000 or so degrees on the pyro so you keep your foot in it.

But something far more sinister is happening to your engine. The cylinder pressure is so high your HX-35 compressor housing is burning up and turning dark brown because of the extreme temps in the COLD side of the turbo.

Then your headgasket goes and sends pressurized oil INTO the cooling jacket of your block. All your oil is blowing out of your coolant recovery bottle BUT your oil PRESSURE shows okay until all the oil is gone into the cooling system. Your water temps start to creep up and you turn off the stereo. The music dies and you hear your beloved engine making the worst of ALL sounds. It's Knocking.

No oil, it's on the outside of your white pick up truck, the turbo is burned almost black and the headgasket is so badly damaged you find pieces of it in your piston cooling nozzles when you tear the engine down.



The Ottomind and EZ combination are the perfect tools to murder the Cummins Diesel engine.

 

[Bob Wagner]

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[ThrottleJockey]

cummin2pass

Don't do what I did! The Ottomind DOES NOT work and play well with other's! Take that thing off your truck and the next time you take your kid fishing, pitch that POS into the lake!



What you need is an Edge Comp or a TST Powermax, some thing you can turn off if you want to. I think you can set the Comp and Powermax to values at or near the stock fueling parameters, am I right guys? Somebody jump in here and shoot me straight if I'm wrong, the point being you don't HAVE to hotrod everywhere you go. Along with that new box get yourself a 16 2cm housing to go along with all those goodies you got. Or better yet, save your pennies and go for a PDR HX-40. The best all around turbo you can buy!

Then you'll be set.



Now for the good news, or Amsoil pitch however you want to look at it.

After the disaster mentioned above, I bought the tools to tear down the engine. I thought I would find wreckage all over the inside of my engine but I hoped to save myself a little money and see what I could salvage or repair. I went ahead and ordered a long block from Cummins and tore into the disassembly.



I didn't need the Cummins reman. The crank, camshaft, block and head are all in perfect condition! The numbers 4, 5, and 6 cylinders were glazed, 1, 2 and three were fine! Con rods and wrist pins Ok too. The pistons and bearings, considering what they went through and how they died, did'nt look all that bad.

4, 5, and 6 pistons were the worst. The HX-35 was disfiguered beyond all recognition. It looks like I took a torch to it.



I was towing a 15000 lb. fiver up a mountain at the time of death. Tell me these engines are'nt tough!! I'm puttin' Amsoil into every thing I own!



Oh, yeah. Thank you to all the guys on this site for the knowledge I needed to screw up the courage to rebuild this thing on my own. I'm fast becoming an expert! Thanks



Brian

 

[Bob Wagner]

Good Post Brian



pitch it in the lake :-laf

 

[cummin2pass]

ThrottleJockey

ThrottleJockey



You said pulling 15k up a mountain. I drive city with at 9000 GVRW

and can't get the temps to go over 1100 at 38 psi. If I do punch it I'm back out of it real quick. It has run cooler with the Banks after I connected the pump wire

(I don't understand that).

I have the PDR35 with a 12cm2. I what to have the under 350 hp setup. I was told that is the max for the turbo. I’m looking for the torque not the HP. I don't have a clue what level I'm at now but it is good. I just wanted more on the low end. I would still like to hear what you and other people think. Go ahead I have thick skin.

 

[Bob Wagner]

if you want to add torque then all you need to ad is a set of EDM Injectors.

 

[cummin2pass]

Bob



Where can I find some?

What size, for what I'm trying to do?

 

[ThrottleJockey]

I have to agree with Bob



Big injectors give low end grunt and make your injection pump real happy. Don't advance the timing and leave it that way all the time. Competition and the occasional hot rod mood, fine. But not on all the time.



Brian

 

[Hohn]

TJ, you have hit on something near and dear to me: timing and cylinder pressure.



Most guys that install the EZ with injectors note the lower EGT and think, well, cool. I feel that the EZ with injectors is a little too much timing. Probably not enough to hurt something, but definitely not ideal. I run an EZ and DD2s, and it feel like the combination is not ideal as far as timing goes. I will be upgrading to a PMAX as soon as I can swing it.



This is the single biggest reason why I favor the PMAX over the Edge Comp. The Edge box overrides the ECMs timing parameters. Not such a bad deal, but with larger injectors this can be a big negative.

Large injectors put much of the fuel in at once, so instead of a long drawn out burn (relatively here, it's still split second), you get a shorter explosion.

Moreover, this short explosion tends to occur when the piston is at a less-than-ideal crankshaft angle .



Now the PMAX will cause a change in timing. But this is because it "tricks" the OEM ECM into advancing timing.



The VP44 is programmed to advance timing under light loads when you aren't giving it much pedal. Since the PMAX fueling causes the the ECM to think the engine is NOT having to work as hard, the ECM advances timing.



So, YES, the PMAX DOES do timing. But it doesn't change timing per se-- it simply causes the ECM to change timing, albeit completely within stock parameters.



This is the approach taken by TST, and I agree with their reasoning. Diesels are very sensitive to timing, and all it takes is a fraction of a degree too much to plunge past the point of optimum and performance suffers.



Yes, the PMAX will tend to have marginally higher EGT than an Edge box. But I would say that the engine is much happier with the TST approach, since it tends to reduce peak cylinder pressure (which helps the headgasket) while still preserving a high BMEP in the cylinder.





Justin

 

[C.MILLER]

Brian,

Does the combo of the Ottomind and the EZ a recipe for disaster on all the cummins engines or only the HO. I have been running this set up for at least a year now, and have ran it pretty hard at times with no known problems. Of course the last thing I want to do is destroy the very reason I bought the truck in the first place. I was told by a very reliable source that I would be fine with this setup?? Now you got me pacin the floor!