factory installed oil filter

[kowaliga]

I bought three types of filter wrench ( nylon strap , fluted plastic cap and mechanical

grip ) anticipating difficulty. The nylon strap,when tightened from below, by its 1/2" socket drive and an 18" extension did the trick. I was surprised how tightly the original filter was secured . The fluted plastic cap, driven by a 3/8" fitting, would have broken under the torque required.

 

[Nightram]

I go from the top, take off the air tube fronm the air filter housing to the turbo, acaccess is easy. I use a oil filter pliers, came right off first time. Go from the top, much easier!

 

[bombero]

On my first one I was expecting a chore so I got two normal strap type wrenchs. Put one on the bottom and the other on the top. My son pulled on one I pushed on the other. Piece of cake!

 

[Udaloy]

I thought this issue was taken care of a while ago. I can't believe they still have that bruiser installing oil filters. When I went to change the oil on my '02, I couldn't budge the filter. So I went to the old method of hammering a screwdriver through the filter to turn it. Guess what? The screwdriver bent!!! I went to an auto parts store to buy some kind of wrench. He told me to try running a screwdriver through it. I told him what happened, and the guy didn't believe me. Yeah, that's right. I'm here just to waste my time and lie to you.



I was already ****** off without him insinuating that I was an idiot. Basically, I bought a six pack of Chinese screwdrivers to go through. I eventually got it after ruining three of them. I'll tell ya, I started to question my knowledge of a filter. I thought somehow I could run the screwdriver through the filter threads. I swear on my mother's grave, there was 200 foot pounds of torque on that thing.

 

[tandersen]

The guy that puts those filters on is probably someone you call "Sir" lest he twist your neck like he does the filters.

 

[WyattEarp]

im guessing that its not so much they tighten them down at the factory as it is when the trucks are hauled from one climate condition to the next, either by rail or by carrier. All that heat and cold difference you get condensation, im guessing that is the main culprit, due to the reason being if the oil filter was on to tight, the seal wouldn't hold and oil would be leaking from atop the oil filter, don't ask how i know this, just trust me. And another member mentioned hand torque ability, some of us with large hands can sometimes overtighten things more than most can, again don't ask how i know this.

 

[Udaloy]

You don't suppose condensation could get between a machined surface and a rubber ring do you? I don't buy that a bit. The problem is that the person didn't put oil on the rubber ring before over-tightening, to say the least.

 

[WyattEarp]

I think some would also say that if the difference in temps if drastic and over periods of time sitting condensation will form, and you made a valid point, i was figureing in that they oiled the seal on the filter, maybe not. But after these vehicles set for say 4 months to over a year if on a dealer lot and aren't ran then some of those seals are going to stick, i think the best way to avoid this is the dealer does a new oil change with filter before buyer takes off the lot, but thats up to the buyer

 

[phloop]

How do you get that dang thing off?



Lot's of cussing, some blood, and a few good cold beer's. :-laf



And then the next time you change the oil, you get to do it all over again except the filter will not be AS tight but just as much as a pain to remove. But then you will already know you will need those bandages and that six pack along with the new filter and oil. :-laf

 

[WyattEarp]

tell you what when i first did the filter changes on my 24V it took some finagling of the hands and fingers to get that sucker started back on, and when its hot and humid out and your sweating profusley that don't help, one day i know i was at it for 20min. if you have small hands its much easier, but does take some work to get it started on, now on the 12V its a snap of course not all that extra stuff in the way.

 

[Mundgyver]

Your motors are run on a bench for 3 hours by Cummins before they leave the factory. At the end of that run, the oil is drained and the filter changed and new oil put in. The filter is taken off and put on by a robot, that is why it is so tight. Once done, the engine is then shipped out to DC to put into the truck. If you read the odometer reading against the ECM odometer reading, you will find that the engine will report about 300 miles more mileage on it than what is recorded by the dash odometer.

 

[WyattEarp]

that explains it right there, dam robots... I guess most of us forget about them being used in vehicle and engine production... . There's your answers boys its not the *Cummins Gorilla* its the Robot proudly named *SPIN ON* lol, couldn't resist that one

 

[klenger]

I don't buy the "condensation and temp changes during transit" at all. My truck was delivered to me with about 2 months of the engine being built. Under normal conditions, I'll keep an oil filter on for 6 months or more and drive under all different climate conditions. If the oil filter is being installed by a robot, they he needs to be calibrated.

 

[walexa07]

I don't buy the "condensation and temp changes during transit" at all. My truck was delivered to me with about 2 months of the engine being built. Under normal conditions, I'll keep an oil filter on for 6 months or more and drive under all different climate conditions. If the oil filter is being installed by a robot, they he needs to be calibrated.

I agree completely... ..... not to hurt anybody's feelings or anything, but if the condensation and temp changes were so then why are filters on other new vehicles not hard to get off. I've had a few new vehicles and the filters were never hard to get off. The robot overtightening them makes the most sense to me. Condensation... ... . we're basically talking about a closed system... ... sealed with a square o-ring. Temp changes... ... . even 0 to 100 is not as much temp swing as 70 to 190, which is an everyday temp swing.



Just my $0. 02.



Waylan

 

[john3976]

The first time I changed my oil in my 2005 Cummins, the filter came right off without any extra effort, in fact I thought it was barely tight as it took almost no effort to spin it off. I could have gripped it with my hands and spun it off.



Now the filters I put on take some grunt to get off and I don't over tighten them, I spin them on until they make contact, then I hand tighten them, when they are hand tight I then take my filter wrench and just give them a nudge just to make sure they don't come loose.



Spin-On must have been on strike or called out sick the day they put the filter on my Cummins.

 

[Buffalo]

When I went through the Cummins Engine Plant in Columbus, IN. , I noticed that they ran the engines through a paint booth where they were painted with a clearcoat. I was under the impression that the dried clearcoat created a seal between the oilfilter & the engine that was hard to break, when trying to remove the original filter.



However, Mundgyver's reply may prove my idea wrong.



One thing I found interesting was, we noticed that some of the engines going through the paint booth were painted black & then clearcoated & others were just clearcoated. We asked why the difference & were told that DC did not want to pay extra for the black paint.



Joe F. (Buffalo)

 

[justinp20012500]

Use one of these to take it off...



I had one so tight that I beat a screw driver through it to take it off and it ripped the metal when I tried to put the torque to it.



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[Heavyweight]

The oil filter on my "CUMMINGS" was really stuck!!!!!! I had to use, liberal amounts of "LUBE" to git-er loose. Once off, I was "RELEIVED"!