Farmer makes his own SVO fuel, burns in CTD and M11 Cummins

[Sojourner]

Bio-Diesel: Farm Grown Profit



And he sez he's adding some gasoline to it.

 

[Sojourner]

16. 67% gasoline in winter.

 

[cj hall]

gas in veg oil what's the big deal

Hello



This has been posted before but the story has more info in in this time.



as far as the blend he is using there should be zero problems with it.



Please ,if you think putting gas in veg oil and burning it in your diesel is not right then that's ok. But remember if you have never tryed it then really you should not make fun of what this person is trying.



I know that what he is doing is just fine. the Cummins engine will burn about anything you put in to it I was told by the Head Mec at Cummins that 25% gasoline would not hurt the b engine but you would not like the way it sounds running .



Thining veg oil works,

more power to the smart farmer that nailed this one.

SOME DAY I WILL STOP IN AND SAY HELLO TO HIM DRIVING MY 04 DODGE RUNNING GAS THINED VEG OIL.



cj hall

 

[Sojourner]

Hello



This has been posted before but the story has more info in in this time.



as far as the blend he is using there should be zero problems with it.



Please ,if you think putting gas in veg oil and burning it in your diesel is not right then that's ok. But remember if you have never tryed it then really you should not make fun of what this person is trying.



I know that what he is doing is just fine. the Cummins engine will burn about anything you put in to it I was told by the Head Mec at Cummins that 25% gasoline would not hurt the b engine but you would not like the way it sounds running .



Thining veg oil works,

more power to the smart farmer that nailed this one.

SOME DAY I WILL STOP IN AND SAY HELLO TO HIM DRIVING MY 04 DODGE RUNNING GAS THINED VEG OIL.



cj hall

CJ, it wasn't that I was making fun of him. What he's doing is very innovative.



My concern was the amount of gasoline. I suppose I was just uninformed. Thanks for clarifying that for me.

 

[cj hall]

hello



I know it sounds like a lot.

Have you ever tryed a veg oil as a fuel.

I have been running a blend that is kinda like this one and have posted all the info on it it the next post down from this one.



cj hall

 

[tgordon]

I like his little starter there, or at least I am guessing that is what he uses that little Honda in the middle for. I have thought about doing this exact same thing myself in a couple of years once we get settled and woundered about the shelf life if processing in the winter.



One question: I thought I read somewhere that the glycerin when compressed created polymers that were not good for the injection system? Hopefully somebody can enlighten me.



Then again people run the ULSD in their trucks. I talked to the guy picking up injectors and he had seen some pumps at BP stations recomending addition of fuel additaves, and how much their business has gone up since the switch over

 

[tgordon]

Never mind, now that I got the cmoputer to pull up the site I see what he was doing to combat it. If I had the oportunity to I would at least try it in one engine, probably not my truck as that is my ride to work every day, but a lawn mower, generator etc to try it and after a couple hundred hours and pulling the injecters, I might convince myself to run it in my truck.

 

[mhenon]

He mentions using a hydrometer to get the specific gravity of his mix down close to D#2. Anyone know the percentage of RUG to SVO to thin it out. Just looking for a ball park figure.

Mike

 

[cj hall]

getting it to the same

Hello Mike

That would be very hard to do because it dependes on what oil you have what the weather is at the time of the test it all changes the altitude barometric pressure temp all affect the what the specific gravity would be.



This is what the top fuel teams do for every round they check what the specific gravity of the fuel is in there mix or blend they run.



But on a different note, he is doing more tests than myself and I am thinking he must think its worth it. Will let you all know what a hydrometer costs for checking diesel fuel.



Hope its not painfull. :{



cj hall

 

[mhenon]

Hello Mike

That would be very hard to do because it dependes on what oil you have what the weather is at the time of the test it all changes the altitude barometric pressure temp all affect the what the specific gravity would be.



This is what the top fuel teams do for every round they check what the specific gravity of the fuel is in there mix or blend they run.



But on a different note, he is doing more tests than myself and I am thinking he must think its worth it. Will let you all know what a hydrometer costs for checking diesel fuel.



Hope its not painfull. :{



cj hall

CJ, thanks for the reply. I quess what I'm really concerned about is viscosity and thought the hydrometer would tell me what I needed to know.

My owners manual gives the required fuel spec's as: Viscosity - 1. 5 to 5. 8 centistrokes (ASTM D-445). I believe that's rated at 40 deg C.

I don't know how much viscosity the VP can't take but wouldn't mind trying a 20% blend during the summer. It would be nice to be able to figure out just how thick the fuel is getting before dumping in another 5 gallons of canola oil.

Just trying to play it safe (somewhat!) as I'm out of warrenty. Some percentage of bio-fuels should be a good thing (lubricity) for the VP44. Fuel that's too thick might put a strain on the pump. That's why I quoted the owners manual. We know that viscosity range is OK.

Mike

 

[cj hall]

Hello Mike

I will be getting one tomorrow, but will be getting the same style as the one in the story there is a chart that will cross the to different ways of taking the info.



Online the price is about 25. 00 for the Hydrometer and then another 25. 00 or so for the glass jar for the liquid. the scale needs to be . 80 to . 91 and then . 90 to 1. 01

1. 00 is water thats what the world is based off of. also I think the temp is read at 60 degs.



As far as the VP44 its seems there are a few issues with them I do have a friend that is running one and he is running a blend of #2 and DSE Style Blend Fuel at about 75% so running say 10 gallons of Canola Oil and the rest in #2 Diesel should be just fine. if they mix together I have run in to a small problem today with mixing the to but it might be some thing else. more on this later after I find out whats going on.



The more I think about the farmers mix the better I like it. and will be testing it also.



Will post if I find out any info.



cj hall.

 

[cj hall]

fuel finding

Helllo to All



Sorry this took so long but I got the Hydrometer today

The cost was 26. 95 for each one . 800 to . 910 and then . 900 to 1. 00

and then 22. 30 each for the cool glass tubes that you put the fuel in.

so for me almost 100. 00 dollars.



More on this later in the dse post dse in truck 04/05 ctd



cj hall

 

[AKaiser]

Bio-Diesel: Farm Grown Profit



And he sez he's adding some gasoline to it.

Technically not considered bio-diesel, but if it works and doesn't harm the engine, more power to him (pardon the pun).

 

[DKnowlan]

A little off topic but on the old VW diesel engines the owners manual states the running up to 30% gasoline in them was ok.

Just my 2 cents

 

[ELaslo]

Regarding the gasoline blends. International Harvester (in the owners manuel) also says some is OK in the old Ford Powersmoker from the 1980's. Also up to 30% I believe. I don't remember, don't care, I run a Cummins. Sometimes on 30% soybean Oil. New oil at Sam's Club was cheaper than Diesel fuel last spring. WVO for me is too much work.

Also you can purchase a hygrometer from a home brew (beer) supply store. Try Country Wines

Wine Making - Beer Making Supplies

 

[tgordon]

Now that is scarry, foo dgrade oil is cheaper than fuel. I guess our food really is cheap here.



Troy

 

[Uncle Dim]

Has anyone tried this yet? I would like to hear experience from some fellow CTD ISB owners.

 

[cj hall]

fuel

Gas in Vegoil



Is that what you want to know if it works



I mix gas / kero / powerservice / one other additive in mine and it works great.



So one would think yes it works





cj hall