finally the cp3's are out

[Diesel Power]

i've got the early release pumps on the way here!! stage 1 only---supply is limited untill we get some more in stock!! call or pm and get on the list!!!! thanks Oo.

wade

NGM Diesel Performance

301 884 2175

 

[Diesel Power]

the early bird gets the worm, only 6 more left!!!! :--)

 

[HoleshotHolset]

... the rail and lines on our trucks have seen about 35-40,000 psi peak with no problems so far, the next weakest link---giving you have injectors rated for these pumps, is the seals in the rail and or lines...

So, why don't you make a rail cap that will open at 45,000psi? - instead of one that just doesn't open at all... If you never see more than 40k psi, then 5k of overhead should be fine and still prevent issues... provided the rail and its lines/seals survive.



We still don't know what the rail and its lines are rated for...



Matt

 

[Floor It]

The problem wont be the rail or the lines themself but rather at the connection point and the injectors bodys. We don't want a rail pressure valve higher than are max PSI, we want it lower to help keep the PSI down. The key is a pressure valve that has a better duty cycle so it will last longer.



John

 

[Scrappy]

how about the marine relief valve with the modded pump? Pressure will stay up but won't spike to such high levels. It makes me nervous pushing pressure so far from stock but I don't want the pressure from falling off as it does now. There has been alot of talk about high pressure levels eroding injectors (wearing them out quickly) with just the current pressure boxes and you are pushing the pressures even higher. I can't justify to myself running a cap in place of the relief valve.

 

[Diesel Power]

So, why don't you make a rail cap that will open at 45,000psi? - instead of one that just doesn't open at all... If you never see more than 40k psi, then 5k of overhead should be fine and still prevent issues... provided the rail and its lines/seals survive.



We still don't know what the rail and its lines are rated for...



Matt

in the near future that problem will be solved both mechanically and electronicly, i have no more on that topic!! :-laf

 

[Diesel Power]

you wont even see 45,000psi on a stage 1 i dont even think you will see it on the stage 2!!! so i would not worry. all of us that are currently using it are just fine --no problems at all over a year of testing!!!!! racing and pulling, sleding, you name it its been done---many times. thanks :-laf

 

[Diesel Power]

man the things possible with these pumps are scarry!! we still have alot of things to do, the #'s we are seeing are going to set records(HPCR) :--) there is a lot more to come from this little ring of fire!!! :-laf

 

[Tomeygun]

man the things possible with these pumps are scarry!! we still have alot of things to do, the #'s we are seeing are going to set records(HPCR) :--) there is a lot more to come from this little ring of fire!!! :-laf

soooo... . spill it!, what numbers are you seeing ???

 

[Diesel Power]

soooo... . spill it!, what numbers are you seeing ???

maybe this week you guys will see it, and it truly one of a kind. :-laf

 

[HoleshotHolset]

maybe this week you guys will see it, and it truly one of a kind. :-laf

I'll believe it when I see it and won't hold my breath in the meantime. You've made claims in the past as to when the products were going to be released and told us: "OMG!! wait until next week!!! :-laf "



Matt :-laf

 

[AK RAM]

You don't work for Edge do you? :-laf

 

[lmills]

what happened to Piers testing one of these??? Did he get one for testing?

 

[Diesel Power]

you guys are great, hey true there have been alot of set backs, but i will deliver the proof you want, you need to understand that there are a lot of things going on, more so than this thread deals with!! thanks

 

[lmills]

actually, I was being serious. Piers was supposed to get one wasn't he?? I was looking forward to his outcome since my set up is almost identical

 

[Diesel Power]

Oo. there are some new things with the cp3 pumps. first the warranty will be no longer in effect, the reason is because there is too much liability involved, as this is for high performance and racing applications. the avalibility of the pumps can be had at only (4) direct places in north america! :--) no dealer inquires on these pumps. (4) direct dealers and thats it. the places to buy are (1) floor it diesel (2) NADP (3) NGM Diesel Performance (4) Industrial Injection. i belive that these are corresponding to where you are shipping to. = west coast would be industrial, and the east coast would be NGM Diesel. the middle u. s. would be floor it. and all of canada would be NADP. i belive thats what i was told, or at least to that effect! there will be more on this later. thanks :-laf

 

[lmills]

sorry, I just lost the cozy feeling. first you offer a warranty, then you delay production then you take the warranty away. How should we look at that? I could understand on stage 3 and maybe stage 2, but all of them. And now everyone has to buy your injectors to run with this special pump???? So all the injectors that people have are now no good. Guess I will keep looking till some guinea pigs test this in the real world

 

[Diesel Power]

sorry, I just lost the cozy feeling. first you offer a warranty, then you delay production then you take the warranty away. How should we look at that? I could understand on stage 3 and maybe stage 2, but all of them. And now everyone has to buy your injectors to run with this special pump???? So all the injectors that people have are now no good. Guess I will keep looking till some guinea pigs test this in the real world

and you are right stage 2 and 3 are crazy on pressure but with stage 1 you can make some serious power too, dont let the stage 1 fool you! the warranty was for the stage 1 originally but all it will take is the right person to ruin a great thing, so as of now we are not offering a warranty. you dont have to use our injectors, but it is strongly suggested!! we are using don m's and another special injector from us, as far as the rest goes ????? you would have to call them and get them to stand behind there sticks!! like with any part of the fuel system it is all very intricate and delicately clearenced, chances are that by running your stock cp3 or even your rail dry often you will have damaged your injectors a little, maybe more. so replacement is needed any way!! sorry guys but you know just as well as i do---this is all high performance, you will have that happen. we are constantly testing different variables and combos and thats why we can stand behind our injectors, there is a warranty as far as i know with our injectors. i think its 1 yr, but then again some body will double or triple stack a pressure box and make crazy pressure, bust the injector body up and them try to send it in for warranty!! so i dont know how long that will last!! it should not be long on the feed back on these pumps most will have it done this week, so ether they are trying to put it on or they are haveing to much fun with there new truck! :-laf :-laf

 

[lmills]

yeh, but your missing the point. You started this thread a month ago (2-2) and said they were ready to go. The you come back and say there have been some delays followed by silence and then come back and say there were some mods that had to be made followed by pulling the warranty.



To look at it from a customers prospective, you would almost think that you might have had some problems with the first run of CP3's that were released and now are yanking the 1 yr warranty.



I guess what I am trying to get at is this. Someone steps up and brings a brand new product to market. It's supposed to be the latest and greatest thing, but yet they are the only one doing it and they do not want to stand behind there work. If I were to go in business tomorrow building electronic fueling boxes and wasn't offering a warranty, would you buy one? If so I will get started.

 

[Floor It]

The problem lmills was that wade had not been informed of everything at that point and Berry from NADP had been told from me where things would be with all the stages (a time frame). Well some things in my personel life have gotten in the way of that time frame, I had hoped to have everthing together for this. It's not as easy as bolting on a Hot Rod CP3 and go, there are things to consider, I don't want to blow pressure relief valves right and left. As to dyno #'s it's all over because of so many different mod's out there, if your not running out of fuel volume and pressure and you dont have the turbo or turbo's to burn the fuel your probably only going to gain boost and not alot of power. There IS more fuel with these modded pump's PERIOD!

Warranty was going to be for the pumps ontl but I have had some people send me what what was to be a good pump and it was NOT! so they got a modded bad pump. We are working with Brady at Industrial Injection ( which I might add are GREAT people) to test pumps and a posable re-man exchange program, and those that had just bought a new pump not very long ago will have that pump checked out by Industrial Injection to valadate its a good pump. I'm not going to get burned by some people by sending me junk CP3's just to get a new modified one. Stage 3's are a different story we should be able turn a junk pump (to a point) into a good pump.

There will be real proof very soon, please just bear with me a little longer.



John