first oil change

[Megadesertdiesel]

just getting ready for the first oil change, air filter and lube. i will be keeping the drivetrain stock. no mods. just looking for some help with what oil and filter to use. go with everything stock? or go to amsoil? and weight of oil? thanks fo the help.

 

[d.miner]

Stay away from synthetic oil until you've got about 20K on the engine. Until then, Delo and Rotella are very reasonable at your local WalMart. My recommendation is 15W-40. Not sure of the Fleetguard #'s for an 06. Someone will jump on here though and help you out.



Good luck,



Dan

 

[BHolm]

Stay away from synthetic oil until you've got about 20K on the engine. Until then, Delo and Rotella are very reasonable at your local WalMart. My recommendation is 15W-40. Not sure of the Fleetguard #'s for an 06. Someone will jump on here though and help you out.



Good luck,



Dan

Why stay away from synthetic oil until 20k? Is that part of an old wives tale/ I have had Amsoil in my truck since 2500 miles. I've done it on several trucks, never had any problems.



Personally I run Amsoil HDD 5w-30 and the Donaldson extended life filter also availible from amsoil. I run 15k mile intervals. I run the stock air filter and fuel filter from fleetgaurd. Genos garage has decent deals on them.

 

[klenger]

Consider getting the 4//2/1 filter kit from Genos. 4 oil filters, 2 fuel filters, and 1 air filter. Good for 4 full oil changes. I use Delo 400 because I like the color of the bottle. Hey, it's just as good of a reason as most people have.

 

[WStephens]

The engine already has synthetic oil from the factory with the 15K light duty schedule a dino oil would not last that long. I run Amsoil HDD 15W-40 with the Donalson filter, Asmoil air and fuel filters. I just changed mine the first time with just under 15K on it and the next service I will change the oil in the rest of the drive train to Amsoil.

 

[Megadesertdiesel]

so i can run amsoil now? and get 15k between oil changes? how do i know when to change oil when i go to synthetic? i will be towing in the AZ summer heat, only 6000lbs though.

 

[Bekim]

So much for wives' tales

Straight from the Cummins website FAQ page:

Is it OK to use synthetic oil with my Cummins engine?



[font=Arial, Helvetica]Cummins recommends that you [/font][font=Arial, Helvetica]not[/font][font=Arial, Helvetica] use synthetic motor oil during the break-in period of 5000-20,000 miles, based on the type of driving, to allow proper seating of the piston rings. Beyond that mileage it is OK to use synthetic oil. [/font]
Always..... no... ... NEVER forget to check your sources!


Cheers
Mike

 

[Bekim]

The engine already has synthetic oil from the factory with the 15K light duty schedule a dino oil would not last that long. I run Amsoil HDD 15W-40 with the Donalson filter, Asmoil air and fuel filters. I just changed mine the first time with just under 15K on it and the next service I will change the oil in the rest of the drive train to Amsoil.

Synthetic from the factory?!!

 

[Bekim]

Dan's got it right! I agree. Even at a 15000 mile change interval, synthetic costs more and it's benefits, besides cold weather viscocity are questionable IMHO.

Mike

Stay away from synthetic oil until you've got about 20K on the engine. Until then, Delo and Rotella are very reasonable at your local WalMart. My recommendation is 15W-40. Not sure of the Fleetguard #'s for an 06. Someone will jump on here though and help you out.

Good luck,

Dan

 

[WStephens]

My maual said there was not breakin period other than not to pull anything for the first 500 miles. Cummins said that the break in peorid depends on how you use it if you are easy on it the breakin can take 20K. The harder you work it the faster it breaks in.

 

[WStephens]

Amsoil you can go upto twice the manufactuer drain interval or 1 year. Longer if you have oil samples tested or have a by pass filter set up.

 

[GaryCarter]

The engine already has synthetic oil from the factory with the 15K light duty schedule a dino oil would not last that long. I run Amsoil HDD 15W-40 with the Donalson filter, Asmoil air and fuel filters. I just changed mine the first time with just under 15K on it and the next service I will change the oil in the rest of the drive train to Amsoil.

Hogwash. If that were true the factory would specify synthetic only.

Quality dino oil lasts a long time too; it's the contamination that forces oil changes.

BTW- I do use synthetic myself. Not because it lasts longer, but because of the improved low temperature flow for cold starts.



Gary

 

[d.miner]

Hey Mike, thanks for coming to my rescue !



No bashing of synthetics, good stuff for a lot of good reasons. The down side (like most things in life) is, you're going to pay for it.



MBigley, Your call... remember, if taken care of this engine will last you a very long time.



Good luck, Dan

 

[Bekim]

My maual said there was not breakin period other than not to pull anything for the first 500 miles. Cummins said that the break in peorid depends on how you use it if you are easy on it the breakin can take 20K. The harder you work it the faster it breaks in.

Please clarify this. Are you saying that the Cummins motors come with synthetic oil in them?
Mike

 

[Bekim]

Hey Mike, thanks for coming to my rescue !

No bashing of synthetics, good stuff for a lot of good reasons. The down side (like most things in life) is, you're going to pay for it.

MBigley, Your call... remember, if taken care of this engine will last you a very long time.

Good luck, Dan

Dan,
People are barraged by the synthetic junkies from all angles. Most of the 7 or so forums that I watch have synthetic oil sponsors pushing it on every thread they can. (no disrepect intended) It's just hard to be impartial when you sell the stuff. It's also not very credible when someone who sells the product is the guy advocating it. Given that with secondary filtration, synthetic will maintain a higher level of active additive far longer. Most, however, are not running secondary filter systems.
But, on a stock rig, the benefit of synthetic is really just in EXTREME cold weather viscocity. Justifying paying at least twice as much for oil is not wise IMHO. People need to do a few changes of dino while they study all the facts, and opinions. This certainly won't shorten the life of any motor.
Cheers Dan
Mike

PS I sell no product here or on any other forum. These are just my opinions and observations based on talking to hundreds of diesel owners, and reading about their experiences on sites like this.

 

[Megadesertdiesel]

wow i opened up a can of worms. now the only difference between synthetic to regular oil is, the synthetic will tollerate cold weather better. anyone know if it goes the other way, to extreme high temps? i live in the very hot and dry AZ desert, and do not see freezing temps. this is a great source of info. thanks alot

 

[Heavyweight]

Dude... . Be smart and go down to Walmart if you have one and purchase either Delo 400 15W-40 or Delvac 1300 Super 15W40. They are as good as any oil and are in-expensive. They will work great in Arizona,,,, Do not waste your money on anything else...

 

[Diesel Power]

i dont want to bust anyones bubble, but if synthetic is bad then why does the chevy corvette come with it from the factory-----oh what about the dodge viper, they all come with mobil one. if you use amsoil you can and will save money and time, regular oil 4,000 miles amsoil---25,000+ miles, go figure

 

[gathomas]

Synthetic Facts

We live in the greatest country in the world, where you have "choices". You are free to choose any lubricant that your heart desires.

Just remember-- Choices have consequences!!



We used to ride around on horseback, now we cruise around in computer controled trucks.



Change is constant, its all around us. You'd better get used to it.



How many years have we used parrafin base oils? They served us well.



Now I submit, its time to move on. Synthetic lubes are so vastly superior to "dino" oil, its laughable.



Its no secret that every lubricant, (oil, grease)etc. on military and commercial aircraft is SYNTHETIC, why? simply because its superior in all respects, compared to the alternative



I don't beleive when you're at 30,000 ft that you want second best.



Oh, by the way, did I mention I'm an Amsoil dealer?



Remember, you always have a choice,



Thanks for listening,

Glen

 

[WStephens]

Yes I am an Amsoil dealer but I have not sold anything to any one I buy my own oil and filters and use them in my truck.



When I bought the truck and saw the maintenance schedule has been extended over my 99's maintenance schedule I asked the dealer if synthic oil was already in the engine they said it was was but I am not really sure he would know the difference. But I do know that a dino oil does not last 7500 miles or 15,000 miles so why would Cummins publish thoes maintenance schedules if they were not using sythentic oil. I did go and look at the Cummins web page there FAQs did not say anything about useing synthic oil before 20,000 miles. But they say that use the longer maintenance schedules to use a Valoline sythentic oil on one there other engine modles.