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Guns, Bows, Shooting Sports, and Hunting Fitting a rifle barrel to an action

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Legos, ARs (like Barbie, but for men), Mule Skinning, Diesel Wrenching, tube fitting, pipe threading..... It's all a fine art, pastime, hobby, or for some, a daily means of putting bread on the family's table.

The fact remains, there are different ways of doing things, and learning from others helps us do it more quickly and efficiently. I'm all ears to GHarm's thread, as I have done this a time or two myself, but I'm always looking for ways to improve my own skills, especially as I was self-taught the first few years, so learning from my elders has proven VERY helpful... . Both spiritual, as I build a friendship with my teacher/elder, and mentally, as I grow in knowledge and ability... .

GHarm, I'm looking for the pics!! Let me know if I can help on posting, too.
 
Update,

I have made some preliminary measurements, took a few more pictures and gathered my wits, mostly:-laf!

Lots of life in the way as this evolves.

Thanks for the encouragement, Gentlemen! I''ll take all ya can dish out.

My computer is an iMac with iPhoto. There is no "transfer to a web page" mode.

There is a "share on the internet" mode, but I am not sure it will work with the TDR posting method.

I will call Apple tech support as soon as I can get some time to think:(!

I have a huge mess of pictures that I need to download off of the camera, just to clear the program chip.

Unfortunately, my camera is a Kodak Easy Share Z612, which is not always easy to get good, fine detail pictures, close up.

Had to take a half dozen pictures of the PD Thread wire key cards just to get one than was readable.



GregH
 
Use an online posting service like Picassa. Then you can upload to there, then post the links here.



Make sure you set your privacy profile to PRIVATE - do not share.



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Some assembly required - LEGOS.

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Sticks,
I LIKE Legos!!
The barrel, barrel nut and gas system assembly with the proper location of the gas block, gas port size and drilled location. Carbine, mid length and rifle gas systems differences and the fire control system in the lower receiver. How those go together and their mechanical relationship. The proper assembly the the buffer, buffer tube. These are the concepts that I have no experience with. I can close my eyes and see/break down and reassemble a complete M-14 Trigger housing group. I still remember how to field strip an M-1 Garand and have stoned the hammer hooks to get a good second stage break. But the AR is new territory for me! And I'm not to proud to ask how its done!

GregH
 
Spent several hours in the shop today doing the measurements and writing a rough draft of the barreling process. But I hit a BUNNY TRAIL!#@$%!

My process is quite time consuming as I dont think clearly, these days:(! So I started back at step #1. Here I found an anomaly that YOU Barrel fitters need to watch. When you set yourself to do a barrel job, the ACTION MUST BE as good as it can be. Its all, about relationships and it may take you some time to learn this on your own. So I'll give ya a short cut. The threads need to be square with the bore of the receiver. On this action, they are. I use a threaded mandril to face the receiver and it screwed into the receiver with no binding of the shaft in the bolt bore. This is good enough for me. This mandril, I made and it is larger in diameter than the actual bolt body. It is inside the receiver about 7" length, inside the bolt bore with no binding. That is dang straight, without an optical comparator, a temperature controlled machining environment and professional grade tooling!:D;)

Next step, I measured the newly machined face to the receiver locking lugs. Parallel within less than . 0005"! This is measured with a depth micrometer that is calibrated only in . 001" increments. Good to go! Then I thought I would slap some Dykem on the bolt locking lugs and double check engagement. Lo and Behold, the top lug was full engagement, but the bottom lug was hanging out in mid air!!!:eek::--)#@$%!

You dont lap-in large dimensional anomalies! You will roll off the lugs and create a mess! What to do?? How do ya measure?

As mentioned above, I had refaced the bolt and trued the bolt head in a LaBounty bolt fixture. So I took a lathe bit blank and used it as a platen across the end of the bolt. Using the 1" Micrometer, which is graduated in . 0001" increments, I measured from the back side of the platen to the locking side of each lug. What I found is that the top side lug was . 0025" longer than the bottom lug (top and bottom when bolt is closed in firing position. ) (I will double check these dimensions with a machinists flat and height gage. ) These are the critical locking surfaces. I will have to reset the bolt body in the fixture and carefully remove . 0025" off the back of the top lug. Then I will lap the lugs together. Next, I will remeasure and recalculate my headspace and tenon lengths!!!

Now, a note that could be critical. The locking lug is at 90* to the bolt body. However, It is not a 90* corner where they intersect. If you look with magnification, there is a radius transition. This radius is there to prevent stress cracking.

If you dont want to mess with this kind of detail. One can buy a PT&G replacement bolt. If there is to much difference in lug engagement, I would have done that myself! We are dealing with a pressure vessel, right in front of your brain housing group!

Without correcting this detail, the bolt would flex upon firing. It could shorten case life and create accuracy issues at a minimum.

GregH
 
Would you machine the locking lugs on the bolt to match, or machine the barrel extension to fit the bolt? . 0025 is not all that much, but is night and day given the pressures you are dealing with.

Could it be that the bolt is flawed from the manufacturer?

Bolt face square with the body?
 
Sticks,
Yes!
Yes, that is SOP and in this case , Yes!
The bolt is flawed and Yes, machining the face was part of the "Bolt truing process", but I did not machine the locking surfaces because there was the indication in the receiver that both lugs were in full contact. BUT, in retrospect and further inspection, only upon firing and due to bolt flex!

Measure 5X, give or take, and cut once!
GregH
 
Why would I need to "try it again on another piece"? Certainly not on a $350+ barrel blank or any other critical part!
You make your mistakes on bar stock! Overlooking a detail point is remedied by going back and retracing your steps, double checking yourself!


GregH
 
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Was able to clean up the bolt lugs and lap in the bolt lug surfaces to the receiver, Wednesday.
After using the bolt fixture setup in the lathe and hand turning the chuck just to machine the long, top lug.
I lapped the lugs with 320 grit alumina grit in cutting oil. The result is about 85% contact on both lugs with almost a mirrored pattern.
Good enough for this old receiver
More pictures taken for a posting marathon!
Headed to the rifle range, this AM!
Need some trigger time! Gonna blow the cobwebs out of Ugly =) !
GregH
 
Wish I could work with machinist tools, It fascinates me to watch someone that can with all the wheels, spinning chucks, cutting bits and the part that's receiving the tooling go from used to like new condition !!!

May not be saying much (for once) Brother Greg, but im with ya!!!

BIG
 
Brother BIG!
You could learn it in a pinch! With your skills and common sense, it would be kindergarten stuff!
GregH
 
Brother BIG!

You could learn it in a pinch! With your skills and common sense, it would be kindergarten stuff!

GregH



Just don't know Greg, working with wood I never had much of a problem, but metal is another issue with heat and all. Maybe someday? you know my position right now isn't going to allow for any other hobby except staying warm this winter. Its been an adventure so far!!! I know how Little Red Riding Hood felt!!!! Been just a little crisp in the AM but is gone by mid day.



Got uplink working for internet so, I will be following the thread!!!





Take Care Brother Greg



BIG
 
Measurement procedure and barrel tenon with bolt counter bore.

Stepdaughter is lending her computer skills to help with photo transfers. Finally got to sit down and get this thread going.
Here are 3 photos of the measurement process.
GregH

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