Flux injectors

[lmills]

not start a war, but i have put some extruded honed injectors in with a certain combo and seen pretty impressive results about(90)hp increase thats with just the addition of injectors and tuning, the same truck with other edms, did not make more than 30hp or so with tuning. so im not to impressed, but time will tell. the truth is that there are certain combos will make more power with certain injectors, i just wanted to see if any one saw the results like i have. thanks

no war here. I have seen first hand dyno sheets proving edms made more Hp on the 2nd gens. So far to date I have seen EDM's make power with Floor -it pumps. But..... as of today I have yet to see any of these proofs of Hp that keep getting spoke of from the pumps and injectors you speak of. We are now almost 3 months into and not one. Not even yours... ... ... and you live about 1/2 hour from a dyno.

 

[SRadke]

no war here. I have seen first hand dyno sheets proving edms made more Hp on the 2nd gens. So far to date I have seen EDM's make power with Floor -it pumps. But..... as of today I have yet to see any of these proofs of Hp that keep getting spoke of from the pumps and injectors you speak of. We are now almost 3 months into and not one. Not even yours... ... ... and you live about 1/2 hour from a dyno.

Tomeygun has the pump pushing through Don's injectors and he's doing quite well.



Information from the stage 2 pumps and fancy honed injectors I agree, I havn't seen it either.

 

[MCummings]

But,



If I understand correctly, Piers is making more power with Honed injectors right now, over EDM's, but, I think time will tell, and we might need EDM's for certain setups, and Honed for other setups.





Merrick

 

[Tomeygun]

Tomeygun has the pump pushing through Don's injectors and he's doing quite well.



Information from the stage 2 pumps and fancy honed injectors I agree, I havn't seen it either.

One note I'd like to make:



I did get my bigger HP on TST 6x5, But I have been driving around 1x1 for last couple days, and it still feels killer. I'd say in the high 300's (just EZ and FLUX)



I am hoping that I can get some great milage like this, As you would have guessed the smoke is almost non-existant on this setting... .



BTW - I went with DON M. 's EDM injectors because of drivability and that fact I have heard of too many people buy injectors (dd2's) for a 550hp truck and gain almost nothing.

 

[lmills]

But,



If I understand correctly, Piers is making more power with Honed injectors right now, over EDM's, but, I think time will tell, and we might need EDM's for certain setups, and Honed for other setups.





Merrick

yeh,but piers has a 04. 5. Don M's are not available yet for them

 

[Diesel Power]

no war here. I have seen first hand dyno sheets proving edms made more Hp on the 2nd gens. So far to date I have seen EDM's make power with Floor -it pumps. But..... as of today I have yet to see any of these proofs of Hp that keep getting spoke of from the pumps and injectors you speak of. We are now almost 3 months into and not one. Not even yours... ... ... and you live about 1/2 hour from a dyno.

its really hard to put #'s on paper when your truck is not yet the way i want it----i am still testing quite a few things and have new things going on. brett williams, barry voltner, and my self have seen the hp#'s you wish to see, we just want more---and are working to make it happen, the last few months have opened up new doors to the diesel world, in due time you will see the #'s. john@ floor-it said that there are combo's that will do much better on extruded honed and combos that will do better on edm's. so like i said in a privious post its the combo you combine with the injectors that will yield the 100hp your looking for. but as of now i have seen more hp being made with out edm. yea sure tommys truck made 80hp more but it took edm injectors, fass150 at the right psi and a modded cp3. i have seen that on just injectors----my origonal question was if any one else was seeing lower #'s with edm vs the extruded type. thanks

 

[AK RAM]

Your talking max HP gain to the rear wheels here so my opinion on the two doesn’t really fit, but I'll throw it out there anyway since it pertains to the original poster's question.



The drivability you get with EDM will usually far out-perform the drivability you get from honed, the difference being in which EDMs you go with. Since the spray angle and hole size are custom to the manufacturer, no two EDM companies will produce injectors that perform the same. As more and more EDM injectors start popping up out there, you have more and more research and decisions to make before buying.



Changing the spray angle with EDM to produce a better fuel plume which burns at a higher BTU and more completely will increase mileage, decrease smoke, decrease EGTs, all while making power. Honed injectors can not do all of that. EDM gives you the potential to put 600hp to the ground smoke free…. check the video in my signature. A small puff at instant WOT and then clean all the way. You just don’t see that with honed. I know your talking max power to the ground here, but regardless of who makes the most, being able to use what you got, in town without shutting down 4 lanes of traffic, is kind of a nice feature to have.

 

[Diesel Power]

Your talking max HP gain to the rear wheels here so my opinion on the two doesn’t really fit, but I'll throw it out there anyway since it pertains to the original poster's question.



The drivability you get with EDM will usually far out-perform the drivability you get from honed, the difference being in which EDMs you go with. Since the spray angle and hole size are custom to the manufacturer, no two EDM companies will produce injectors that perform the same. As more and more EDM injectors start popping up out there, you have more and more research and decisions to make before buying.



Changing the spray angle with EDM to produce a better fuel plume which burns at a higher BTU and more completely will increase mileage, decrease smoke, decrease EGTs, all while making power. Honed injectors can not do all of that. EDM gives you the potential to put 600hp to the ground smoke free…. check the video in my signature. A small puff at instant WOT and then clean all the way. You just don’t see that with honed. I know your talking max power to the ground here, but regardless of who makes the most, being able to use what you got, in town without shutting down 4 lanes of traffic, is kind of a nice feature to have.

good point, thanks for the insight Oo.

 

[Vaughn MacKenzie]

Changing the spray angle with EDM to produce a better fuel plume which burns at a higher BTU and more completely will increase mileage, decrease smoke, decrease EGTs, all while making power. Honed injectors can not do all of that.

In a nutshell it could be said EDMs increase the number and quality of fuel plumes entering the combustion bowl, optimizing fuel delivery & placement. EH tips improve the quality and volume of existing fuel plumes which have been shown to deliver excellent results. I don't know the intimate details of the EH procedure but I'd venture to guess the spray angles can be tweaked a bit. I think most would agree the quality of R&D and workmanship play a bigger role in the success of an injector than which process was used to make it.



Vaughn

 

[RMalone]

I'm slightly cofused now, can a stock injector tip be EDM'ed?? Or can stock tips ONLY be honed? In other words, is EDM for virgin tips with no holes, exclusively, and/or extrude honeing for tips with existing holes?

 

[RFahlen]

I'm slightly cofused now, can a stock injector tip be EDM'ed?? Or can stock tips ONLY be honed? In other words, is EDM for virgin tips with no holes, exclusively, and/or extrude honeing for tips with existing holes?

A stock injector can be EDM'd. You can Hone anything with holes in it.





What I want to know more about is these "blank" nozzles with no holes in them.

 

[Diesel Power]

A stock injector can be EDM'd. You can Hone anything with holes in it.





What I want to know more about is these "blank" nozzles with no holes in them.

as far as i know they are not on the market, so it does not make sense to me either!

 

[lmills]

A stock injector can be EDM'd. You can Hone anything with holes in it.





What I want to know more about is these "blank" nozzles with no holes in them.

all I can say is when I inquired about the edm's a couple weeks ago, I was told that even if my injector tips were honed it was not a probblem. That they start with new tips anyway.

 

[CRiggan]

If the injector sprays into the hole of the piston when it is at TDC then why does changing the angle of the spray on the nozzle help at all?



Is all that is required is to fill up the hole in the piston with diesel fuel? Or does the fuel actually spray else where?



I am clueless.



I think just buy some 3 flows stage 8 and let the smoke begin

 

[Diesel Power]

If the injector sprays into the hole of the piston when it is at TDC then why does changing the angle of the spray on the nozzle help at all?



Is all that is required is to fill up the hole in the piston with diesel fuel? Or does the fuel actually spray else where?



I am clueless.



I think just buy some 3 flows stage 8 and let the smoke begin

the angle change in therory increases fuel atomization which is supposed to yield more hp,and decrease egt's Oo.

 

[Vaughn MacKenzie]

In other words, is EDM for virgin tips with no holes, exclusively, and/or extrude honeing for tips with existing holes?

Bingo. I think EDM process can be used on existing holes, but I believe the vendors that offer EDM-machined tips start with new blanks.

 

[mattymac]

If the injector sprays into the hole of the piston when it is at TDC then why does changing the angle of the spray on the nozzle help at all?



Is all that is required is to fill up the hole in the piston with diesel fuel? Or does the fuel actually spray else where?



I am clueless.



I think just buy some 3 flows stage 8 and let the smoke begin

check this out. Its a marine 370 HP injector from a 12V but you should get the idea.



https://www.turbodieselregister.com/forums/showthread.php?t=118974&highlight=marine+370

 

[Tomeygun]

I'm slightly cofused now, can a stock injector tip be EDM'ed?? Or can stock tips ONLY be honed? In other words, is EDM for virgin tips with no holes, exclusively, and/or extrude honeing for tips with existing holes?

JL machine has EDM'ed stock tips before I think...

You can the the angle but are limited in how much, for what I understand...

 

[RFahlen]

all I can say is when I inquired about the edm's a couple weeks ago, I was told that even if my injector tips were honed it was not a probblem. That they start with new tips anyway.

New nozzles maybe, but not blanks.

 

[AK RAM]

There are two companies making blank nozzles to my knowledge, one in China and one in Italy. The Italian company also makes an EDM tip for our rigs in the 40 to 50 hp area. Don M starts with 100% new, blank nozzles as well for all his EDM tips, but he won’t say where he gets his.