Ford and GM diesel power speculation

[IBarr]

According to Pickuptrucks.com, the new in house built Ford Scorpion diesel is supposed to be 390hp/720tq PickupTrucks.com: Upcoming Ford Scorpion Diesel Said To Have Big Sting
and the new 2011 Duramax is supposed to be "over 700 ft-lbs" tq Spied! 2011 Chevrolet Silverado 3500 - PickupTrucks.com News
So where does that leave the 6. 7L Cummins? I hope they join the party and add some power. You have to think that one of the reasons they went ot the larger 6. 7L displacement (besides making up for power losses associated to the new emissions regs) is so they have more "room" to turn up the wick as the numbers from the competition keep going up.

Time will tell.

 

['strokeThis_'07]

Honestly if I was in charge, the 6. 7 would have come out with about 4-425hp and atleast 750 ft-lbs. Cumiins is king, and its all for bragging rights. Last I heard there are no plans to up the power from the Cummins, atleast not in the near future :{

 

[CSkal]

Are the Ford and Chevy motors 2010 compliant?

 

[rjrkihap]

And who will still be in business in 2011??? Given the economic and political climate, I wonder if the Torque Wars are being replaced with the Economy/Green Wars. We know emissions are tightening and fuel prices, although lower than a year ago, are still on most peoples minds.



But then again, maybe I'm wrong



Ron

 

[Steve St.Laurent]

Right now no. There was no information on '10 diesel from Ford or GM at all at the Chicago auto show. We're keeping our eyes open for information.

 

[HBarlow]

I wonder if the current pile of scrap iron, aluminum, and plasic crap Ford calls its 6. 4 liter engine is even capable of meeting 2010 emissions regulations. It seems excessively complex already.

On my way into town for lunch today there was one with a gooseneck horse trailer attached sitting on the shoulder with two cowboys fiddling around under the hood.

I thought about stopping to offer them a tow but didn't want to be blamed for hauling a load of junk into town with no place to dispose of it.

 

[FLynes]

According to one of the local Ford dealers, who just got back from some conference, the new Ford diesel is going to be based on the original 7. 3 block. It's going to have an internal turbo, which he couldn't explain clearly and frankly my eyes glazed over at that point, but he did say that the 6. 0/6. 4 platform is dead.

 

[Edgemann55]

What good is HP and tq if it don't run. I'll keep my old school 5. 9 Cummins and down the road make as much HP an Tq as $'s will allow.

 

[HBarlow]

According to one of the local Ford dealers, who just got back from some conference, the new Ford diesel is going to be based on the original 7. 3 block. It's going to have an internal turbo, which he couldn't explain clearly and frankly my eyes glazed over at that point, but he did say that the 6. 0/6. 4 platform is dead.

That sounds a little like building an expensive new home on a pile of recycled old cinder blocks with a weak mix of mortar using an inadequate quantity of cement, hoping wet sand will hold the blocks together.

2010 and 2011 may be good years for Dodge-Cummins. The 6. 0 Fords of 2003-2005 were like cartoons, always good for a laugh.

 

[SNiebaum]

It's going to have an internal turbo, which he couldn't explain clearly and frankly my eyes glazed over at that point, but he did say that the 6. 0/6. 4 platform is dead.

The turbo(actually, the compound turbos) will be placed in the engine valley... the intake/exhaust is a complete 180 from old engine architecture.



I will consider these power numbers as wishful thinking on the the part of Chevy and Ford... new emissions standards and new engines(I believe the Duramax will be bumped to 6. 9L) don't usually blend into 10% jumps in power.



The 6. 7 is available with 350/750 for motorhomes... caveat being the governed speed is 2600rpm.

 

['strokeThis_'07]

According to one of the local Ford dealers, who just got back from some conference, the new Ford diesel is going to be based on the original 7. 3 block. It's going to have an internal turbo, which he couldn't explain clearly and frankly my eyes glazed over at that point, but he did say that the 6. 0/6. 4 platform is dead.

No. The 6. 7 Scorpion is a whole new design by Ford. Its not going to use ANYTHING from the 7. 3/6. 0/6. 4. Those are International engines. The 6. 7 is a Ford in-house. Itll be Common Rail, dual turbos. The 6. 4 is not emissions compliant for 2010.



The Current Duramax isnt compliant at the moment either. Theres been rumors of a 6. 9 Duramax, but Ive only heard rumblings about that so who knows?

 

[Vaughn MacKenzie]

I think the reverse flow having exhaust exit on the valley side of the cylinder heads isn't a bad idea, saves the complicated plumbing around to get exhaust to the turbos, and may be easier to vent heat if it's contained higher up in the engine bay.

I wish Ford well in this venture, there's a chance it may be our only HD diesel pickup option if things don't improve at Chrysler and GM.

 

[HBarlow]

Hmmmm.

A Ford may be our only new HD diesel pickup but certainly not the only one if Dodge and or GM should fail (and I don't really think they will). I wouldn't give up the reliability, durability, economy, and pulling power of a 600,000 mile Dodge-Cummins for a new Ford or GM.

I can only guess at the complexity, expense, poor fuel economy, and poor reliability and durability of a new emissions compliant V8 diesel from Ferd. Not in my garage!

 

[FLynes]

In the engine valley... . interesting concept.



Consider this... . if Chrysler and GM fail, that doesn't mean that Cummins and Allison will fail.



So, would we have the perfect truck then? A Ford chassis and body with a Cummins and an Allison.



Harvey, I have to respectfully disagree with you on your comment about the '03-'05's... . my current ride is a '04 F350 King Ranch and, while the engine may not touch the Cummins by any stretch of the imagination, it has been reliable for me AND none of the Dodges I've ever owned could hold a flame, much less a flamethrower, to the King Ranch interior.



It kills me that people are so brand loyal. For a lot of us, it's not the Dodge we like, it's the Cummins Turbo Diesel that sits under the hood of that Dodge. If Ford had gotten the contract with Cummins, instead of Dodge, you'd be sitting on the Diesel Stop website bashing Dodge, Harvey.

 

[WoodChuck]

If Ford had gotten the contract with Cummins, instead of Dodge, you'd be sitting on the Diesel Stop website bashing Dodge, Harvey.

That's true for me, but in addition to the Cummins engine I've always prefered the front suspension setup on the 4x and the general lack of bells and whistles suits my style as well.

The Dodge seems simpler and more straight forward in their enginering approach and I've found my truck to also be a pleasure to wrench on and never curse the engineers for stupid designs.

BTW, I have owned a new '88 gasser Ford P/U before and wasn't very impressed.

 

[FLynes]

Yeah, the 80's interiors were pretty plain jane for Ford, but then again that's pretty true for all of the Big Three... . they were trucks; now it's all about comfort.



The closest I ever came to comfort in any of my Dodges was my '01, which had heated leather seats.



I actually like the front suspension setup of the Ford 4x4... . the one complaint I had with my '97 Dodge 2500 4x4 was the front suspension... the truck was all over the road.

 

[WoodChuck]

I got the heater leather seats on this one. My first gen I drove 13 yrs and put 310k miles on so I figured getting all the creature comforts was worth it. And yes the second gens were know to get loose steering syndrome but there are a few good aftermarket fixes for that problematic trac bar.

 

[FLynes]

So someone tell me what's wrong with this web page?



Shift Kits for the Ford F350 from HorsepowerFreaks



This is one website company I'm staying away from!

 

[GSchlegel]

Could it be "(94-03) Ford F350 7. 3L Cummins"



Gene

 

[FLynes]

Definitely some wishful thinking on somebody's part! That, or someone forgot to have their morning coffee. :-laf