Ford behind in HP wars

[Hohn]

I was reading a thread over at Dieselstop on why the PSD can't clear 500HP. Some are honest and admit the shortcomings of the engine, others say things like "no aftermarket". Here's something to think about:



The reason we CTD guys have a place like Enterprise Engine is because of the CTD. If the PSD or DMAX was a better motor, Enterprise would have used THAT as the foundation for their business.



The reason their is such a market for CTD performance is because it is so easy. We don't need to upgrade much to get more power! I mean, a plug in box and WHAM! you have 60-100 more hp for cheap. Not so PSD and DMAX. Consider the things that we BOMB:

1) Injectors

2) Box

3) Turbo(s)



That's all it takes for a lot of power! Now if you want to add SERIOUS HP:

1) Cam

2) O-ring

3) Custom Pump (maybe P-pump)



That's it! No rocker arms or valvetrain issues! No bottom end concerns! For once, just think about all the things that we DON'T have to touch when we add HP! That's what's most amazing to *ME*.



There was a guy on the Ford site saying stuff about how the PSD could easily run with the CTD if it had an aftermarket as popular as say, the big block chevy--in other word, If he could replace all the stock components (block, crank, rods, heads, valvetrain) with forged/billet/alloy components, THEN it would be as strong as a CTD.



It continues to baffle me how for relatively little money I could build an insanely powerful daily driver that will STILL get decent fuel mileage and last 300K+.



What's the last big block Chevy you saw that had over 500 HP (and almost double that tq), BUT idled smoothly, got over 13mpg, AND would last for many miles??



I am building a motor for my '69 Coronet, and I can only HOPE to get 10+mpg in an engine that will barely idle at that power level. Never mind that it MIGHT go 30K before needing a rebuild!



I stick to my earlier statement that a Cummins is the best VALUE in all of hotrodding. You simply can't get more for your hotrod dollar anywhere else.



Hohn

 

[Hohn]

Oh, it's the thread on dieselstop about "most hp on #2-- all throttle, no bottle" or something.



Maybe someone should tell our fellow diesel drivers that there IS no throttle on a diesel-- we ahve to come up with a new cute saying. .

HOHN

 

[zack_76401]

Hey excuse my language but you have to remember PSD's are just like tampons..... every ***** has one... . lol

 

[lmills]

Being the owner of a big block chevy with over 500 horses, I can say " it definitely hasn't made it to the 30,000 mile mark ever and never gets me better than 5 mpg(est). " Idle? We won't go there, it will shake the fillings out of your teeth. I like the raw power and the sound of the solid roller cam will turn some heads, but this will be the first season in a while that I didn't tear it down to prepare it for the up coming season. I was running to good when I parked it, so I left it alone.

 

[Ncostello]

Heck, I like the CTD because when I pop the hood I'm visually pleased that I see something that looks like an engine... "theres the valve cover, the turbo, the exhaust manifold, the intake manifold. . etc. When I pop the hood of the others it looks like a cube of metal, plastic, and a bunch of wires and hoses going in 20 directions. They dont even look like engines as I know it. I just love popping my hood and thinking... this thing looks cool too!!

 

[lmills]

I personally like the look on friends faces when I pop the hood and they say,"this thing is only a straight six?" That is priceless. They can't believe how much a I-6 diesel can put out. Of course they are all gas engine people that don't know very much about diesels.

 

[kevincook]

Originally posted by lmills

I personally like the look on friends faces when I pop the hood and they say,"this thing is only a straight six?" That is priceless. They can't believe how much a I-6 diesel can put out. Of course they are all gas engine people that don't know very much about diesels.

Most of our fire trucks at work have I6 Cummins in them, over 350 Horse power with over 1000 ft/lbs of torque. These trucks will pull away from the V8 Detroits.



KC