Ford E4OD trans in Dodge Ram?

[GDouglas]

I am currently gathering info for a possible swap of a Ford E4OD automatic into my 1999 Dodge 3500 5 speed. I found one website at fordcummins.com that seems to have an adapter plate to go from the 5. 9 to any of the Ford transmissions. They seem mainly geared to use the Cummins 5. 9 in the Ford body.



Baumann Engineering makes a stand alone programmable controller for the E4OD transmission. The two main inputs to this unit is a 0-5 volt throttle signal and road speed from the Ford speed sensor in the tailhousing of the trans. The unit is advertised at a very reasonable $400. You can map a custom line pressure curve, upshift speeds, downshift speeds, TC lockup strategies; all able to be scaled against power demand and road speed signaled by the TPS voltage and road speed sensor.



Does anyone know if Ford somewhere through the years ever had a 5. 9 Cummins bolted to one of their own transmissions? If so, I could use all factory parts for the conversion. As far as transmission crossmember and driveshaft mods, I don't see them as any bad hurdle at all to deal with at all.



Neat thing about an E4OD is that it can take more abuse than a 47RE, especially in OD. Another neat idea is to use one of the later 4R100 transmissions that are equiped with a PTO takeoff. You can set up the Baumann controller so that you can lock the TC clutch up in park or neutral and run your PTO acessories. The 4R100 is basically an E4OD that is full roller bearing internally from front to back.



ATS makes a triple lock coverter for the Ford transmissions also, plus if you didn't wan't to build your own trans, they offer complete units too. From what I have been able to price so far, a conversion to the Ford auto would cost about as much as a six speed conversion if you build your own Ford transmission. And that is including the cost of the ATS triple lock converter!

 

[Jim Fulmer]

How about a heavy duty 700R4 in a Dodge! Keep your ears open and you might hear about it soon. BOTW I have heard that both trannies are better than our 47RE's



Jim... sworn to secrecy!

 

[GDouglas]

You might be thinking about the General Motors 4L80E instead of the 700R4. The 4L80E is a fully electronic 4 speed which is basically a Turbo 400 with an overdrive added. The 7004R is a medium duty trans found in the 1/2 ton trucks and rear drive car applications. Our Cummins would rip a 700R4 in half with just stock horsepower and torque. I build enough of the 700R4s for guys at the local dragstrip for their street Camaros and they have transmission problems about every year or two with just 300 to 350 hp. The 4L80E is much bigger and heavier and could be a consideration to go behind our 5. 9 also along with the E4OD/4R100. I haven't run across any stand alone electornic controllers for the 4L80E yet, though.

 

[Jim Fulmer]

4L80E is what I was meaning, just a temp. memory loss



Jim

 

[bvanetten]

Give Randy Bluth with Reliable Diesel a call. He is in Mesa Arizona, 480-325-6262. He has done well over 100 conversions with just about every transmission combo imaginable. I'm sure he'll have the info you need.



Bruce

 

[GDouglas]

Thanks for the info. I'll be sure to check them out.

 

[tk064]

Check out Hughes and Phoenix Transmissions. I believe they both have a stand alone controller for the 4l80E. Jet probably has one too.

 

[baby.driver]

The E4OD would be a mistake

 

[Animal]

Originally posted by GDouglas

I haven't run across any stand alone electornic controllers for the 4L80E yet, though.

Jet transmission make a heavy duty 4L80E with a stand alone controller for conversions, it will handle 700lbs ft torque.



Off web site: 4L80-E Transmission 4WD http://www.jetchip.com/



The JET 4L80-E is the ultimate in overdrive transmissions. The 4L80-E has the same strength as a T-400, but also features a 4th gear overdrive and lockup torque converter. Capable of handling up to 700 ft/lbs or torque and 24,000 GVW capacity! Available as a replacement for 91-up GM 2500 and 3500 trucks, or for use in conversions using JET's TransConversion Kit. The 4L80-E is suited for big-block trucks, pro-street machines, motorhomes and extreme towing applications.

 

[HoleshotHolset]

I think people are wasting their efforts even thinking about other types of trannies other than the 47RH/47RE.....



A properly built 47RH/47RE will stand up to a heck of a lot of abuse and all you have to do is push and pull the one you already have in your truck.



Don't get me wrong... the 4L80-E is one heck of a transmission... but to make it all work will end up costing you a lot more than just having the transmission in your truck built up.



Aftermarket 47RE's with billet internals are standing up to over 750hp and unimaginable torque figures..... How many of us are exceeding those HP/torque #'s?? Not many.



If it were my truck... . I'd run what has been tested and tried..... those DTT guys up there in Canada sure seem to know what works and what doesn't. Use their research and development to your advantage... .



Matt

 

[jimk]

4L80-E

I don't know much about the transmission , but I thought that it had the capability of splitting the overdrive with the other gears when it is modified. This may not be correct but I think so.

It would be interesting to com pair system in the two transmissions, dodge and the gm. Shaft size, # of clutches in each clutch pact. How the hydraulic system reacts , and quirks if any of each. It is true that the dodge transmission work now after modified but how is the 4L80-E in a stock condition and what potential does it have. Example the gear spacing ratios, torque rating, lubricating system poor or good, etc. Apples to Apples

What do you think?

 

[JoeyD]

The gears can be split in the 4L80, I though it was Jet that had the kit. GM makes an adapter to bolt the Cummins to the GM trans. I think the Cummins came in some Grumman models.