Ford's new engine...6.7ltr

[Motorhead]

Ford posted some propaganda videos. From the same company who told us all how wonderful the 6. 0 and 6. 4 were, then turned around and sued the company that made them because they were so awful.

There's a brief underhood shot that looks just as crammed with stuff as the 6. 4l version.

All the talk about "durability" (250k mile design life), and not a single mention of serviceability.

Ryan

What a laugh about 250,000 mile durability... We had old 300ci Ford 6 cylinder gasser engines run 375,000mi+ at UPS in the old Econoline vans we had. "Durability" to me is 500,000+ miles. If my 5. 9 in my truck dies at 250,000, I'll feel gyped!!

 

[HBarlow]

I am waiting for the great entertainment the new Furd in-house engine is going to provide for us. For the first few months after the engines show up on the streets the Furd owners will be orgasmic with all their tales of wonderous tire-smoking performance and amazing pulling feats but I predict it won't last. Eventually the roll-back wrecker sightings and cabs off photos from the Furd dealerships will begin showing up.

 

[Bill Stockard]

I am surprised at that. Our experience with those motors was very positive. The 6. 9 and 7. 3 in the Ford Pick-Ups were very reliable other than the crap that Ford had added on. We serviced a large fleet of bucket and digger trucks with 9. 0 power and those things were tough. A lineman is about the most brutal equipment operator that I have been around. Even saw a couple get fried, tires blew off, etc. Didn't seem to bother the engine any either time.

Everyone has different experiences, in this case mine was positive. Some others were negative, I'm sure.

Yep, I sold several medium duty trucks with the 180 HP version 9. 0L International V-8s to a commercial laundry service fleet. They ran the trucks 8-10 hours a day, 7 days a week with a lot of idle engine time operating the lift gates for 750K plus miles before they had anything done to them except regular maintenance.



Bill

 

[Wingate]

Harvey, they aren't broke down when you see them on a roll-back wrecker... . Thats the dealership coming to pick them up for a oil change.

 

[HBarlow]

Harvey, they aren't broke down when you see them on a roll-back wrecker... . Thats the dealership coming to pick them up for a oil change.

Ahhh, thanks for setting me straight. I guess my anti-Furd bias caused me to wrongly assume all those Furds were broke.

The drivers of the dozens I have seen sitting on the side of the road with a trailer attached over the years must have suddenly realized they were due for an oil change and pulled over and shut down to wait for a rollback to take them to the dealer.

I was transporting RVs during the busy RV sales time and the heyday of Furd Sick. Ohhs from January 2005 through 2007. I knew a few and knew of lots of fellow transporters who proudly drove their King Ranch Furd duallies until the odometers rolled over 100k and the Sick. Ohh engines failed for the second or third time. I picked up some good loads from Furd drivers needing those dealer oil changes you mentioned where the dealers remove the cab.

 

[Wingate]

hahahaha... . thought you might get a kick out of that. .

Harvey, did you watch those video clips of the dash board and gauge pods on the new Ford?... The one thing I noticed was that the red-line on the tach was 4k...

 

[HBarlow]

hahahaha... . thought you might get a kick out of that. .
Harvey, did you watch those video clips of the dash board and gauge pods on the new Ford?... The one thing I noticed was that the red-line on the tach was 4k...

I can't watch them. My internet service is so slow out here in rural Crosby County I have given up on trying to watch online videos.

That 4,000 rpm redline tells us a lot about that engine already. It will probably produce about 13 ft. lbs. of torque below 2000 rpm and require screaming at redline up every grade. The Sick. Ohhs I've seen downshifted two or three gears on the slightest interstate highway grades when towing.

Aluminum heads and graphite iron blocks (or whatever it is) also tell us some interesting things. I read, perhaps in this thread, that the blocks are cast in what, Brazil? And the engines will be assembled in Mexico?

Sounds like another service and warranty disaster in the making to me.

How are they going to sell those foreign-made things to labor union guys in the rust belt or down in Houston/Port Arthur, TX?

The serious attempt by Furd to reduce weight must say the Furd chassis is not capable of handling the weight of a real engine of cast iron with cast iron heads.

Even if it runs good and reliably for the warranty period, which I doubt, the complexity alone would scare me away. Just think of what labor will cost to replace minor wear parts if one of them ever lives long enough to get some miles on it.

No Furds in my future!

 

[Wingate]

I was thinking the same thing... If the red-line is at 4k, they are making their big #s on the top end... . hence, increased fuel consumption and increased engine wear. Has anyone heard how many forward speeds the slushbox transmission will have?... I'm thinking atleast 6...

 

[rbattelle]

Actually, I applaud Ford for using a compacted graphite iron block. Seems like a very cool material. Too bad they didn't see fit to use it for the heads too.

Ryan

 

[JUeckert]

Yep, I sold several medium duty trucks with the 180 HP version 9. 0L International V-8s to a commercial laundry service fleet. They ran the trucks 8-10 hours a day, 7 days a week with a lot of idle engine time operating the lift gates for 750K plus miles before they had anything done to them except regular maintenance.



Bill

yes sir mr. stockard, the 9. 0 was a good engine in it's day, much better then the cummins offering's of the time. state of arkansas still has a lot of them in service in dump trucks. keeping the valve lash set was the only real secret to these engine's. i have actually had folks that i have sold buses to, call looking for the 7. 3 and 9. 0 powered unit's. i've sent a few down to s. america and mexico.

 

['strokeThis_'07]

I'm thinking atleast 6...

Yes, 6. Also has PTO if Im not mistaken. Not that thats a selling point to me...

 

[Ncostello]

Take an International 6. 0L, completely delete the EGR system and clean the intake, ensure the oil cooler is free and clear, install ARP head studs and torque properly with new gaskets and you'll have a good running engine. Its pretty much proven that this can be done. And should have been done from the factory.



All these issues are the FAULT OF THE EPA and their false sciences.



I hope Ford doesn't find out that compacted fudge... . errr I meant compacted graphite iron blocks don't turn out to be as horrible as torque to yield head bolts. ARP don't make blocks. I happen to like cast iron.

 

[HBarlow]

A good running car engine, perhaps. Never a truck engine adequate for towing. The Furd Sick. Ohh was a urine-poor design when the first pencil line was drawn on the first rough plan. It is a high winding V8 design which produces so little torque off idle it must be revved and the clutch slipped to get it moving even unloaded. I drove a new '03 Furd Sick. Ohh six speed manual when the product was new. The engine stalled every time I engaged the clutch.

I talked to many RV transporters with catastrophic engine failures and I was personally called by dispatchers to go pick up loads from Furd Sick. Ohh owners on more than one occasion when the Furd engine failed and the truck was towed in.

A Navistar Sick. Ohh was the answer to a stupid question.

No Furds in my future.

 

[Ncostello]

I've got my D250 Cummins, an 02 HD2500 Duramax... and I've been thinking of getting a basic F250 XL 2WD 6. 0L Powerstroke just to mess around with it. Even though it's not my first choice and my favorite... I'd take one just to try some stuff. I enjoy a challenge. You can get them at a reasonable price nowadays. Then my collection would be complete.



You'll never know your competetion until you study their products first hand. I'm willing to do that. Kinda like what International and John Deere used to do back in the days. Buy each others products.

 

[JUeckert]

put the egr delete kit on it, and you will likely have a solid truck for work or play. if you want to compete with it and do some major hp gains, get some headstuds an get with it. back in 83 i bought my first 6. 2 gm diesel, and got all kinds of comments on how sorry they were, mostly based on the 5. 7 that preceded it . [had one of those too] needless to say, all the bigblock fans and ford 6. 9 fans that were mostly ragging on my little gm diesel, sold or dragged their trucks to the bone pile years ago. i still drive that same little gm diesel on ocassion, and even hook those same 12 ton plus loads to it every so often also. at just over 400k miles and 23 years, i finally had to replace the engine. not to shabby for what most would consider the least most desirable diesel from the big 3 to have in the 80's and early 90's. i know a lot of happy trouble free 6. 0 owners in the construction industry, know atleast two who hate them. like anything else, never know if one's gonna make it to the 40 or 400k mark.

 

[FDavid]

^^^^



Whoa! Just read your sig JUeckert. I know of some car dealerships that have less vehicles then you :-laf

 

[JUeckert]

not the first time i've heard that! i'am a truck nut regardless of brand, wether class 8 or a 1/2 ton, and most of them get well used in my line of work. very fortunate to have them, as well as use them in a trade that pays for em. .

 

[ACerf]

I did not read all of the comments about the new Powerstroke. But there are a few things that would not make me buy this engine. First off, I am not sure I like Aluminum Heads on Diesel, that is why I didn't buy the Chevy. I don't like the idea of the exhaust being where the intake was, that to me means extra heat. . but I could be wrong. And finally I don't like the idea of a composite cast iron block. Call me old fashion. Plus the fact that I wonder how well the engine was tested, or will it be tested on the poor comsumer? I can remember many Ford engines that hit the streets that needed more testing! I am sure there will be some die hard Ford lovers that will buy it, but they might be sorry, even more so than the poor folks who bought the previous ones. I think I will stick to my tried and true Cummins thank You! About the rest of you guys and gals?

 

[Ncostello]

ACerf... your choice of a Cummins is a solid one no doubt. But first you have to at least watch their video series (9 or 10) about the new engine and what they are doing with durability testing. They are also doing long term testing with "high use" contractors who will beat this thing to death and see what happens. That will answer alot of questions you may have.



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The fact that the Duramax has and continues to produce a great engine with aluminum heads is proof that it simply works. I saw no lack of power and performance at Scheid this year from the Duramax trucks whether on the pull track or the drag strip.



The idea of reversing the flow in the heads on a V8 turbodiesel to me was one of those "why didn't I think of that" moments. It makes absolute sense to eliminate alot of plumbing and retain heat without the up-pipes normally required. The direction of flow in the heads is irrelevant. Its all in the design. Its just backwards from 100 years of engine building. Its definately innovative. The heat where the intake used to be is not an issue as the intake system is no longer located there. By the same token there is now cool air where the exhaust used to be. It's actually now like two 4cyl inlines feeding one turbo through one exhaust manifold without all the previous plumbing.



I too am not yet a fan of graphite iron blocks. I don't know enough about it to form any kind of opinion. I'll have to leave that to the materials engineers.



Fords #1 goal with this engine is to quench the issues of the previous engine series and make it reliable. So I expect more from this than the 6. 0 or 6. 4. But all of them are getting pretty complicated these days... so we will see.

 

[rbattelle]

They are also doing long term testing with "high use" contractors who will beat this thing to death and see what happens. That will answer alot of questions you may have.

Yeah, but they did the same thing with the 6. 0 and 6. 4. Millions of miles of "extreme" durability testing by 2 companies. Didn't do much good, and now they're down to just Ford.

The idea of reversing the flow in the heads on a V8 turbodiesel to me was one of those "why didn't I think of that" moments. It makes absolute sense to eliminate alot of plumbing and retain heat without the up-pipes normally required. The direction of flow in the heads is irrelevant. Its all in the design. Its just backwards from 100 years of engine building. Its definately innovative.

I'm not too sure about this new configuration. I mean, if it's so wonderful why aren't they doing it on industrial engines? I'm not saying it's a bad idea, I simply don't know.

I too am not yet a fan of graphite iron blocks.

I'm certainly no materials engineer, but I really like the idea of the compacted graphite iron. I like graphite, and I love iron - why not put them together! They say the strength is close to steel (as we might expect, after all graphite is just carbon).



Ryan