Found an old Wilton Vise on Craigslist.org

[seafish]

Grizz, while I DON'T know why the jaw on your vice does not simply unscrew all the way out, I DID find a useful links to help date your vice and also another site to buy some replacemnet parts--

Perhaps you can call the guy who runs manufactures the parts,, he appears to be a "Wilton geek" and may know exactly what you need to do the separate the jaws.


http://junkyardtools.com/tool_history/wilton

http://wiltonviseparts.net/about-us/

Let us know what you find out--

 

[Dl5treez]

The newer big blue vise looks like a model 500. It's an easy cheat, 5" jaws = Model 500... usually.

It's a 60176 vise so probably in the 70's like the other one.

The dynamic jaw screw should come out rather easily, unless there is gunk on it:

-remove the three retainer plate screws (behind the "handle") and the lead screw should come all the way out. If it doesn't it may be full of gunkyness (word?) or have some damaged threads.

-the jaw should slide right out once the lead screw is out. If it doesn't, it may have more gunk on it.

(**Liberal use of penetrating oil works wonders on these things... . for a great but rather politically incorrect homebrew penetrant, a 50/50 mix of ATF and acetone works awesome)

-once the jaw is out, you can remove the end cap. or nose cone, or dust cap. whatever you wanna call it. whack it out/off with a wooden dowel, hammer handle, etc.

-now you can find either the cross pin, cross pins, or machine screws that are holding the "nut" into the vise. The "nut" is the threaded tube that the lead screw threads into. If your vise has machine screws, the heads are usually obvious, unless they are broken off, then maybe not so much. . The cross pin(s) can be tapped out with a punch, the machine screws sometimes need to be drilled.

(**I can see the little hole in George's first picture that looks like a cross pin hole. )

-once those are out, then take another slightly larger dowel or hammer handle and smack the "nut" out of the vise. You'll notice a groove in the "nut" that aligns with the cross pin(s)/machine screws.

Now the vise SHOULD BE completely disassembled in a big pile of gunky rusty old stuff awaiting tender loving care, new paint, and fresh super slippery lubricant. We'll save the brand and type for another grease/lube war thread later. :-laf

Hope this helps and works... if not, use gunpowder. just kiddin'

Dan-

 

[Grizzly]

Thanks Scrappy, BIGNASTY, seafish and DI5treez for the replies.

Scrappy, The larger Wilton bullet (blue) does have a swivel. According to DI5treez it's a 500 and with a swivel it is a model # 500S. S stands for swivel. The smaller Wilton (green) is a model # 450 and without the swivel it's called a model # 450N.

Big, I'd like to see a picture of your Wilton. Is it a bullet style?

seafish, The #450N unscrews all the way out without a problem, but the #500S will not. It will go out about 6. 5" and stops. Thanks for the links. I will call them hopefully tomorrow.

DI5treez, I will do every thing you suggested. I agree, it has to come out. Last resort, I'll brake out the gunpowder I tried to punch out that pin at the back with no luck, however I do believe that the screw has to come out first. I did remove the 3 small screws and the retainer plate, which made the screw come out a little further, but it's still banging against a metal sound. Thanks for the penetrating oil formula.

All this information will help plus my stubborn determination.

HAPPY THANKSGIVING EVERYONE!


Thanks all, george

 

[mwilson]

One vote from me for "gunkyness" being a valid word in our circle at least.



Also closely related to "goopy or gloppy mess" although that it usually a little wetter condition, "gunkyness" would be a drier kind of guck.



Mike.

 

[Grizzly]

Thanks Mike. I'll have to put the vises on hold for a while. Today at 11:20 AM I lost another brother. I'm having a difficult time dealing with this, more especially since this is my third brother I loose in tha past year and four months. The brother I lost today was only 70 and had a battle with cancer for 6 years.

george

 

[BIGNASTY]

Grizz

I will try to get a picture of the vice in the shop. Im kind of Leary of walking (trying to walk) with the camera in my hands as im having a problem walking right now. I will have the wife bring out the camera so I can.

 

[BIGNASTY]

Grizz our thoughts are with you Pard

BIG and Family

 

[Grizzly]

Thanks for the kind words and thoughts BIG.

Don't worry about getting a picture of the vise anytime soom. Just whenever you can Pard.

george

 

[Grizzly]

My brother was buried today. This has been a long and tiring 2 or 3 weeks with my brother in the hospital. The family stood fast, hoping and praying for miracle, but the cancer will eventually have it's way. We lost him on 19 Nov 12 and was buried on 24 Nov 12. My brother, Jimmy, is the third brother we loose in the past 16 month. I'm now the last of 4 closely knit brothers. I'm starting to feel like the Long Ranger. I do however, still have two sister. We were six.

george

 

[BIGNASTY]

Rest Easy Brother Grizz. Im sure that your Brothers struggle with what took him away from family is far gone and only memories of the good times with family remains.



Im not so good with words at a time like this Grizz but can sing a song in a heartbeat its the way that I deal with things so here is a song and a picture that goes with it that may help you thru this time. Our thoughts be with you and yours Grizz



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szsH1R-9Di8





Gail/Penny and family



PS. The Long Ranger ALWAYS!!!! had Tonto with him, even if only in memory

 

[Grizzly]

The newer big blue vise looks like a model 500. It's an easy cheat, 5" jaws = Model 500... usually.



It's a 60176 vise so probably in the 70's like the other one.



The dynamic jaw screw should come out rather easily, unless there is gunk on it:



-remove the three retainer plate screws (behind the "handle") and the lead screw should come all the way out. If it doesn't it may be full of gunkyness (word?) or have some damaged threads.



-the jaw should slide right out once the lead screw is out. If it doesn't, it may have more gunk on it.



(**Liberal use of penetrating oil works wonders on these things... . for a great but rather politically incorrect homebrew penetrant, a 50/50 mix of ATF and acetone works awesome)



-once the jaw is out, you can remove the end cap. or nose cone, or dust cap. whatever you wanna call it. whack it out/off with a wooden dowel, hammer handle, etc.



-now you can find either the cross pin, cross pins, or machine screws that are holding the "nut" into the vise. The "nut" is the threaded tube that the lead screw threads into. If your vise has machine screws, the heads are usually obvious, unless they are broken off, then maybe not so much. . The cross pin(s) can be tapped out with a punch, the machine screws sometimes need to be drilled.



(**I can see the little hole in George's first picture that looks like a cross pin hole. )



-once those are out, then take another slightly larger dowel or hammer handle and smack the "nut" out of the vise. You'll notice a groove in the "nut" that aligns with the cross pin(s)/machine screws.



Now the vise SHOULD BE completely disassembled in a big pile of gunky rusty old stuff awaiting tender loving care, new paint, and fresh super slippery lubricant. We'll save the brand and type for another grease/lube war thread later. :-laf



Hope this helps and works... if not, use gunpowder. just kiddin'



Dan-

Dan, I've got the big blue Wilton bullet vise, 500S, totally apart. I tried the wood block and small sledge hammer trick, which didn't work because the dynamic jaw was not unscrewing all the way out. It would only come out 6". Should have come out about 8", so I figured out how to remove the back end out by first removing the pins. One long pin, which is bent about 45* fell to the inside. The other one came out normal. See pictures. Then I was able to remove the nut by unscrewing it. Then the dynamic jaw came out. After everything came out, I found the longer bent pin. I believe that the long bent pin was cought on the threads of the screw, thus preventing from unscrewing all the way out.



The date I see stamped on the key is 1 (normal) 11 (which is turned 90* counter clockwise0 and 78 (normal). (see photo) Where can I get an end or dust cap for the big blue Wilton?



george

 

[Grizzly]

Any Wilton Bullet Vise enthusiast?

 

[Dl5treez]

Glad you finally got it apart!

Unfortunately about the only new parts I've found for older vises have been the jaws. Most of the time I've had to buy derelict vises to scavenge bigger replacement parts off of, like the end caps etc.