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Planned Obsolescence possibly?

Buyers that are not willing to pay 500 Bucks more maybe?........


Problem I see is that roughly half of your country is perfectly fine without any protection- the other half of it pays the prize.
Also your easy to meet DOT checks play in favour of the manufacturers.

In the old World these checks are way tougher and with just slight rust one can't pass them, that forced the mfg to build better cars.
 
Planned Obsolescence

Engineered Obsolescence for sure.

All the great minds and talent in the industry and all we get is junk, the only way to avoid it is to not drive them.

Both of the above examples with these frame issues appear to be very well taken care of vehicles.

If you dare miss a single few months of additional prevention or actually try to use your vehicle for what it was purchased for you will pay the price.

Why have a snow chief group like I have if you can't use the truck in the snow.

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Same thing with my Tommy Gate absolutely junk no primer just some sort of waste of cheap top coat. "Made in USA" in Iowa my opinion designed not to last. No sense even telling them how bad their product is built, the performance or lack there of speaks volumes, if I knew I had to dissasemble the entire gate when new to DIY and paint the thing myself and add the proper rust prevention I would have gladly done so, sell me the thing with bare metal.
 
Do they use the same road treatments in Europe that they do here, salt, brine, etc?

Yes they do. depending on location for up to 7 month a year..
Back in the 80s we had massive rust problems with the cars. The worst ones could be trashed after 3 years of use - not worth to start welding anymore, so bad. Of course one didn't buy that brand again, that forced the mfgs to doin it better.
GM Europe (Opel) was the last one that finally understood it after they went nearly bankrupt.
People just refused to buy that **** anymore that was a pain to do DOT every other year, some countrys annually.
 
Engineered Obsolescence for sure.

All the great minds and talent in the industry and all we get is junk, the only way to avoid it is to not drive them.

Both of the above examples with these frame issues appear to be very well taken care of vehicles.

If you dare miss a single few months of additional prevention or actually try to use your vehicle for what it was purchased for you will pay the price.

Why have a snow chief group like I have if you can't use the truck in the snow.

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Same thing with my Tommy Gate absolutely junk no primer just some sort of waste of cheap top coat. "Made in USA" in Iowa my opinion designed not to last. No sense even telling them how bad their product is built, the performance or lack there of speaks volumes, if I knew I had to dissasemble the entire gate when new to DIY and paint the thing myself and add the proper rust prevention I would have gladly done so, sell me the thing with bare metal.

Exactly - why not put rust protection from factory into this package!
Even if it costs 300$ more - people in the rust belt would buy it without thinking twice.
 
Exactly - why not put rust protection from factory into this package!
Even if it costs 300$ more - people in the rust belt would buy it without thinking twice.

I have long joked about it being a conspiracy, the car producing states in particular, Michigan, Ohio in the Midwest dump massive amounts of salt on the roads, AND they also ban studded snow tires. That they have an industrial base in making cars.. Coincidence, I'm sure it is!

I'm in Washington State now, we can use studded tires in the winter, and they seldom use road salt here, my 2009 truck frame looks almost like new, no significant rust. My 2004 Land Rover is likewise in great shape, I did POR-15 the entire frame last year when I did extensive work to it, so it even looks better than new.

I'd rather have seasonal tires and drive on unsalted roads, ice and snow, than have a car rot away from corrosion.

As to engineered prevention, the newer cars are far better than they used to be about rust... here on the OP we are discussing a truck that is 17 years old.. Go back about 20 years, and you'd be dealing with rust on vehicles that were 5-6 years old, or less.

As an example, in 1990 I bought my second el cheapo used car, with 60K miles (then considered significant, now days, low miles). That 1984 car had been a NY State car, and there was not much left of the supporting frame of the hood, and it basically had carpet floor pans (no metal left). Also, one day the brake line to rear brakes blew out, from RUST.

Bottoms of the doors had been repaired with fiber glass and bondo... not much left of the original metal left there.

I spent considerable time under that thing with a wire brush, Rustoleum rusty metal primer and Rustoluem paint. I welded in new floor pans, etc. I was able to make it last through College, with my rust fighting efforts... but there is no way it would have made it without extensive help.

In comparison today, even in the salty states, most 6 year old cars in in pretty good shape without extensive rust.

That said, continued improvement is always welcome, but even a Stainless Steel frame will rust with continuous exposure to road salt. Coatings have improved, and one of the best ways is to start with a hot dipped galvanized frame. They make new Land Rover frames that are hot dipped galvanized, they seem to hold up very well. Now why the OEMs don’t make that an option.. who knows, seems it would be a tiny cost add over the price of current new vehicles, but a cost many people would gladly pay, even if it were an option at extra cost.
 
I just turned a corner in my neighborhood, and came across a older 4 gen 1500 and while the silver paint looked great, I was able to see the scale and yuck of the frame and underbody. It was quite a sight!
 
I just turned a corner in my neighborhood, and came across a older 4 gen 1500 and while the silver paint looked great, I was able to see the scale and yuck of the frame and underbody. It was quite a sight!


I dropped my truck off this evening at the shop that is going to fix the frame. Sitting there with my truck is a black 2004 Ram 3500 DRW with both rails rotted through. I didn't feel right about taking pics of someones truck without permission, but trust me when I tell you that it makes my frame repair look minor.

I'm very happy with what I saw tonight at that shop this evening. He was finishing up a F150 when I was there and has my Ram and the other one there to do this week. I have no idea what it is going to look like when it is done. But the guy fixing it certainly has the experience.
 
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I don't know about Michigan but studs are legal in Ohio from Nov 1 to April 15. They aren't quite as common anymore with the advancements in the compounds in snow tires but I still see them around.
 
I just turned a corner in my neighborhood, and came across a older 4 gen 1500 and while the silver paint looked great, I was able to see the scale and yuck of the frame and underbody. It was quite a sight!
So I just went back out and I saw the above truck again. Now I can really see what caught my eye last night!:eek:
Dig these rockers!
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Wowsers! I can't say I've seen a gen 4 that bad yet, but I can guarantee you those steps are a factor. I can always tell when a truck sees alot of highway mileage around here, that area between the rockers and steps will be packed solid with salt infused snow/ice. Most people don't bother keeping it cleaned out and depending on the ambient temperature sometimes it just isn't feasible. Sometimes it's a block of ice.

It's one of a couple of reasons I don't have steps on my rig.
 
Wowsers! I can't say I've seen a gen 4 that bad yet, but I can guarantee you those steps are a factor. I can always tell when a truck sees alot of highway mileage around here, that area between the rockers and steps will be packed solid with salt infused snow/ice. Most people don't bother keeping it cleaned out and depending on the ambient temperature sometimes it just isn't feasible. Sometimes it's a block of ice.

It's one of a couple of reasons I don't have steps on my rig.


Here is my 2010 1/2 ton. Take a look at how successful Ziebart was on this one. It was treated the first week we had it and then annially since. Truck was 10 years old in April and has exactly 150K on it.

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I received an update on my truck yesterday. They found a small area on the driver's side rail also (I'm not surprised).

At this point, they have all if the rust areas removed, pieces made, and will start welding it back up today. I'm hoping that I will have it back this weekend or early next week.
 
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