got to set down some time to look at these brakes again.
I have looked at power bleeding stuff for a long time, but it had drawbacks for my different applications. one is a tool to allow it to be used on dodge trucks without messing up the PROP vavle.
phillips5 very good suggestion, and i will have to answer. I had no pedal before i looked at the rear brakes like 3 days before i posted this thread. while in the rear brakes i noticed i had adjusted the e brake a bit too tight (last time i did brakes) and it was just barely holding the shoes apart maybe 1/8 or so. So at one time i had good pedal with this setup, and now i cannot find out how to again. I will try it in the way you suggest to see if it helps.