From a 6.7L Ford Owner... This isn't Good..

[Wingate]

I found this while doing some surfing... This is NOT about my companys F-550 service trucks, this appears to be the pickup engine... .



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[AEdelheit]

Wow that is alot of reading, just skimmed the first 2 pages and the last 2, noted towards the end they got into how the VP44 cummins wasnt the most reliable engine, haha classic. Pretty rare the common rail cummins will just shut off with no warning and leave you stranded like the furd 6. 7.

 

[GW208]

It doesn't look like this turned out well for a formerly very loyal Ford customer.


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[HBarlow]

My '08 cab and chassis has 110,000 trouble free miles on it. It set a fault code back in summer of 2008 when it was new. I drove it 300 miles to the dealer where I bought it and the ECM cleared the code when I restarted it. Later I took it to TDR member Mike Mullenax to do a software reflash.

The '06 I owned when I was transporting had a Jacobs Exhaust brake vacuum pump fail and a faulty FCA. Both failures occured after 100k miles. An aluminum sleeve on the tailshaft of the 48RE slipped out of place with about 135k miles causing the seal to leak. The truck ran very strong at 230k miles when I sold it.

My first Dodge-Cummins, an '01 HO/six speed served me extremely well for 325k miles. I replaced a couple of fuel transfer pumps, one VP-44 by mistake, one Jacobs exhaust brake, one head gasket, and two water pumps. The NV-5600 was rebuilt at 305k because the big mainshaft bearing got noisy.

I'll say it again - I wouldn't drive a free Furd NoPowerStroke. With the well known poor history of Furd diesel light trucks since the Sick. Ohh was introduced in late 2002 it seems like insanity to buy one. I don't get it.

 

[Vaughn MacKenzie]

There's been a few 6. 7s go BOOM here and there but not nearly to the extent of Navistar's disastrous 6. 0/6. 4 offerings. I think various emissions issues and transmission problems have more to do with their lower reliability than the new engine itself.

 

[DonFitzwater]

I've got 7500 miles on my 6. 7 so far. Not quite trouble free but am pretty happy with it. The trans is awesome. The engine has lots of power but it ain't no Cummins. The fuel economy is poor but no worse than the Cummins. It heats up WAY faster than any Cummins I have owned. The issues with it have been some turbo "barking", ie it doesn't downshift fast enough and the turbos are barking back and can't make boost. It was partially corrected with a reflash. The interior has had a couple minor fitment issues that have been taken care of quickly by my local Ferd dealership. I hate to say it but it's amazing how much better the Ford dealership here in Fairbanks is than the Dodge dealership. They don't make excuses why their piece of crap isn't acting right, they just fix it.



Also, let me say that my last Cummins, a 2006 2500 came off the auto hauler at the dealership knocking and had to have an engine replacement before I could take delivery of it. It took most of the 3/36 to straighten out everything those dorks screwed up in the engine swap process including trans problems caused by "sucking" the trans to the engine block with the bell housign bolts when the torque converter wasn't properly lined up with the pump. Good times.

 

[Wingate]

Just got back from a 4 day vacation, and I can honestly say I am not interested in a new Ford...

Friends of ours bought a new one about 6 months ago, it started out with decent fuel mileage but progressively got worse as the miles increased. The turbo went out at just under 5K miles, they got it back about a week or two ago. . anyway, fuel mileage isnt any better, so it wasnt the turbo causing it. .

That dang truck DRINKS the fuel... We drove about 300 miles today... pulling similar loads, he started on full this morning while I started on 7/8ths tank. . I went the distance without fuel while he filled up at about 120 miles and the fuel light is on now. .

We checked the gears and its got 3:31 gears. , I run 3:73... He has a 6 speed auto where I have a 4 speed auto. . go figure... ... I have not been impressed by watching this truck since new. .

 

[HBarlow]

Furd poor excuse turbodiesel trucks excel in advertising hype and false and inflated claims by their owners. Other than that they are over but poorly engineered, unreliable, failure prone, expensive to buy and operate, bring poor trade-in allowances, and don't pull very well without revving.

They are a great source of humor in the pages of TDR website. That's my favorite thing about them.

 

[rscurtis]

That may be, but I wouldn't be too entertained if I had just purchased one. (Not going to happen). As I have said before, even their gas engines are excessively complex compared to GM's simple pushrod engine and the Hemi- and they offer no real benefit. The 2WD Eco Boost is supposed to get 21-22 MPG. My signature truck can beat that all day long.



Regarding the quick warm-up DFitzwater mentioned, my '03 has to be driven about 12-14 miles before the thermostat opens. Quick warm-up translates into poorer fuel economy.

 

[DonFitzwater]

If I had my choice this sucker would have a 12 valve stuck under the hood. But once again, money prevails. Ford offers my wifes company a 63k truck for 50. Mopar couldn't come within 7k of that. I'll driver till 5 years/60,000 is up and then trade it off. Maybe Dodge will offer oil companies in Alaska a better price at that point. If I had to work on my own truck I would still be driving a Dodge. This truck WILL be a nightmare to work on. No room and overly complicated.

 

[MChrist]

I popped the hood on a new Ford last year out of curiosity, and mentioned to the salesman that to work on one, they may need to train octopi, or at least something with a prehensile tail. I was rewarded for that witty comment with a confused, blank stare.
Actually, that happens quite often...

 

[Bill Stockard]

That may be, but I wouldn't be too entertained if I had just purchased one. (Not going to happen). As I have said before, even their gas engines are excessively complex compared to GM's simple pushrod engine and the Hemi- and they offer no real benefit. The 2WD Eco Boost is supposed to get 21-22 MPG. My signature truck can beat that all day long.



Regarding the quick warm-up DFitzwater mentioned, my '03 has to be driven about 12-14 miles before the thermostat opens. Quick warm-up translates into poorer fuel economy.

Could it be because the block isn't made from traditional cast iron as is the Cummins?



Bill

 

[MChrist]

Probably several reasons. Compacted graphite is usually thinner than traditional cast iron, so it would probably transfer heat quicker. Also, don't forget the Ford has aluminum heads. Also, the turbo rests between the valley, and I believe the exhaust runners are actually in the head, so warm-up should be very quick.
I also heard that they use three different radiators that run at different temperatures, which may also lead to quicker warm-up times.
Good technology... if it works.

 

[Gonzo 1066]

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Good technology... if it works.

This is the question isnt it. I would hate to be the test driver and have $60,000 out of my pocket.

 

[S.Morris]

I have a friend with a 6. 7 in a new F550 wrecker body. I will be watching it closely... ... . you can hardly see the engine with the hood up. Man is it packed.



He has had a legitamate horror story with an 05 Dodge 3500 wrecker and has spent many thousands of dollars in this truck on almost everything.

He could never be convinced to buy another... ... . For his sake I hope the new ford is good because he cant afford another bad case.

He did not buy the dodge new so its hard to say what kind of abuse it suffered previous to him purchasing it. It is still in the wrecker fleet mostly because he has more money into it than it will ever be worth.



Ford comes with factory lockout hubs... ... . why cant dodge?

 

[MChrist]

Every brand/make /model has their share of glory stories and horror stories. Even on this forum, some people have very few problems, while others have nothing but. I believe driver "input" may be a variable...

 

[Wingate]

I popped the hood on a new Ford last year out of curiosity, and mentioned to the salesman that to work on one, they may need to train octopi, or at least something with a prehensile tail. I was rewarded for that witty comment with a confused, blank stare.

Actually, that happens quite often...

When my new service truck came in, it was packaged out of state so it had no DOT inspection... I took it to the local truck shop for a quick DOT.

The guy doing the inspection asked me to pop the hood so that he could take a look around.

I popped the hood and he took one quick look and said" HUH!!. . And I STILL cant see anything!". .



Ford deserves a Darwin Award for figuring out how to stuff 20 lbs. of crap into a 5 lb. sack!.

 

[Bill Stockard]

When my new service truck came in, it was packaged out of state so it had no DOT inspection... I took it to the local truck shop for a quick DOT.

The guy doing the inspection asked me to pop the hood so that he could take a look around.

I popped the hood and he took one quick look and said" HUH!!. . And I STILL cant see anything!". .



Ford deserves a Darwin Award for figuring out how to stuff 20 lbs. of crap into a 5 lb. sack!.

They have had lots of practice:-laf... with every diesel engine change it gets worse. Design them for a gasoline engine and shoe horn in a diesel.



Bill