fuel additive

[CAPN Harley]

Is anybody using additives with these regen and def trucks

 

[Newsa]

Used Stanadyne for awhile until i realized Optilube is better.

 

[Hoefler]

Many do, I don't and have not since 06. I have yet to have any fuel issues in 4 different trucks. Most importantly, use fresh clean fuel from a supplier that sell a lot of fuel.

 

[kthaxton]

It seems like many of these additives are solutions looking for problems.

 

[Alphonse]

Research I've done says avoid them. Some good info in TDR magazine past issues. I'll see if I can find the issue number and post it later.

 

[Newsa]

I do for lubricity.

 

[kcpolk]

I use Lucas fuel treatment..... although, my truck is one year pre-DEF. I do it for lubricity as well.

 

[Alphonse]

How 'bout some STP too?

I have been looking for some STP to put in the oil! Just kidding.

Ref. fuel additives, read issue number 64 from the TDR Magazine. For members of the TDR there is a PDF from the "Perfect Collection".

 

[Newsa]

For the new trucks....... they are designed to run on low ULSD. The additives are not required or even recommended by the manufacturer. I don't have a copy of TDR 64. I'm sure it doesn't support care the manufacturer doesn't list as recommended. Fuel additives can be costly and TDR doesn't recommend unnecessary expenditures. I may not always use additive. But i have decided to run some lube through my fuel system on occasion. Having studied high pressure systems, thermodynamics and fluid flow, and electromechanical systems at a top 10 engineering school,....... and having read a multiple number of views and tests on diesel fuel additives, i have decided that to reduce the likelyhood that i will have fuel pump overheating (Cummins has had a few fuel pump failures over the years....i think VP44 comes to mind?) and other fuel issues past warranty expiration. The old diesels that were designed to run on sulfur diesel probably NEED the additives. The new ones don't need it. But fuel additives won't hurt a 4th gen if they don't contain metal compounds and might give some nice lubrication to your fuel system. Oil companies are supposed to put a lubricity additive in diesel. But now that oil companies are making less money from low oil prices, I will continue to add an occasional bottle of lube to my fuel. Because those oil companies are probably going to try to increase their profits by investing in less additive.

 

[Newsa]

And if you think fuel at the same supplier is always the same as it was last month..... you might be surprised that it can change.

 

[Alphonse]

For the new trucks....... they are designed to run on low ULSD. The additives are not required or even recommended by the manufacturer. I don't have a copy of TDR 64. ... ....

The article on additives was attached to my post in the PDF if you are interested.

 

[jacknife]

In the members only section there was an extensive test done by an independent lab that tested 15 different additives and showed the results as far cloud point pour pt and lubrication factors. They also broke down cost per mile for each additive. Draw your own conclusions on what one is best and if you want to use one at all. It should answer all your questions in a scientific manner.

 

[Alphonse]

In the members only section there was an extensive test done by an independent lab that tested 15 different additives and showed the results as far cloud point pour pt and lubrication factors. They also broke down cost per mile for each additive. Draw your own conclusions on what one is best and if you want to use one at all. It should answer all your questions in a scientific manner.

Jacknife, I remember reading it but do not remember where it was.

Was it on the website as a separate article or was it in a past issue of the magazine? Thanks

 

[Tuesdak]

I have been looking for some STP to put in the oil! Just kidding.

Ref. fuel additives, read issue number 64 from the TDR Magazine. For members of the TDR there is a PDF from the "Perfect Collection".

This article is WORTHLESS!!! Seriously lets post pictures of two ruined injection pumps from lack of lube in the fuel and sort of recommend against additives. If farmer #2 would have run a lube additive he wouldn't be in an expensive fight with the fuel supplier. DUH!!!

Good clean #2 (or #1) diesel meeting some BS minimum ASTM spec being available in The USA is the exact wet dream that caused a lot of additional trouble since the Olds 5.7. GM had to put water in fuel lights on the cars because of the amount of dirty "wet" diesel fuel available. (Yes that was the cheap fix instead of real fuel filters and water separators. This tradition is followed by GM, Ford and FCA aka Dodge Ram even today.) Sure additives for gas engines, drygas, that mixed water and diesel caused further problem including governor ring failures.

So some good advice on additives would be helpful. Even an understanding of the "new" ULSD and Biodiesel is a start.

So we have the same fuel issues today and new problems like ULSD being hygroscopic, lack of lubrication from the surfer removal process, and the additional water Biodiesel holds in the fuel increases the risk of a bug problem.

As warranty for bad fuel and lack of good filters is put on you, oh yeah, you may or may not win the expensive fight with the fuel supplier.

So as far as I am concerned the owner's manual recommending against additives is toilet paper. You need to fix the possible lack of lube and possible bug infections on your own with additives.

Already had an expensive education from bad fuel that was supposed to meet ASTM specs.
https://www.turbodieselregister.com/threads/248698-ULSD-and-Biodiesel-Exposed!

 

[Newsa]

This article is WORTHLESS!!! Seriously lets post pictures of two ruined injection pumps from lack of lube in the fuel and sort of recommend against additives. If farmer #2 would have run a lube additive he wouldn't be in an expensive fight with the fuel supplier. DUH!!!

Good clean #2 (or #1) diesel meeting some BS minimum ASTM spec being available in The USA is the exact wet dream that caused a lot of additional trouble since the Olds 5.7. GM had to put water in fuel lights on the cars because of the amount of dirty "wet" diesel fuel available. (Yes that was the cheap fix instead of real fuel filters and water separators. This tradition is followed by GM, Ford and FCA aka Dodge Ram even today.) Sure additives for gas engines, drygas, that mixed water and diesel caused further problem including governor ring failures.

So some good advice on additives would be helpful. Even an understanding of the "new" ULSD and Biodiesel is a start.

So we have the same fuel issues today and new problems like ULSD being hygroscopic, lack of lubrication from the surfer removal process, and the additional water Biodiesel holds in the fuel increases the risk of a bug problem.

As warranty for bad fuel and lack of good filters is put on you, oh yeah, you may or may not win the expensive fight with the fuel supplier.

So as far as I am concerned the owner's manual recommending against additives is toilet paper. You need to fix the possible lack of lube and possible bug infections on your own with additives.

Already had an expensive education from bad fuel that was supposed to meet ASTM specs.
https://www.turbodieselregister.com/threads/248698-ULSD-and-Biodiesel-Exposed!

Excellent article!

JDoremire filled in some blanks I forgot about.

It is up to each Owner/Operator what their preference is. Treated fuel (properly treated) should serve you well.

However, you will not know you got bad fuel until you already have a problem.

Now that oil companies can't afford to pay their promised/contractual bloated executive salaries, stock options, and golden parachutes because oil prices are low, I will put a quality additive in my tank on occasion.
The chances of getting untreated fuel have increased in this economy in my opinion.

Taking it to court will cost more than your truck unless you can get a class action suit. And organizing that would be a headache.

 

[Alphonse]

This article is WORTHLESS!!! Seriously lets post pictures of two ruined injection pumps from lack of lube in the fuel and sort of recommend against additives. If farmer #2 would have run a lube additive he wouldn't be in an expensive fight with the fuel supplier. DUH!!!

Good clean #2 (or #1) diesel meeting some BS minimum ASTM spec being available in The USA is the exact wet dream that caused a lot of additional trouble since the Olds 5.7. GM had to put water in fuel lights on the cars because of the amount of dirty "wet" diesel fuel available. (Yes that was the cheap fix instead of real fuel filters and water separators. This tradition is followed by GM, Ford and FCA aka Dodge Ram even today.) Sure additives for gas engines, drygas, that mixed water and diesel caused further problem including governor ring failures.

So some good advice on additives would be helpful. Even an understanding of the "new" ULSD and Biodiesel is a start.

So we have the same fuel issues today and new problems like ULSD being hygroscopic, lack of lubrication from the surfer removal process, and the additional water Biodiesel holds in the fuel increases the risk of a bug problem.

As warranty for bad fuel and lack of good filters is put on you, oh yeah, you may or may not win the expensive fight with the fuel supplier.

So as far as I am concerned the owner's manual recommending against additives is toilet paper. You need to fix the possible lack of lube and possible bug infections on your own with additives.

Already had an expensive education from bad fuel that was supposed to meet ASTM specs.
https://www.turbodieselregister.com/threads/248698-ULSD-and-Biodiesel-Exposed!

Looks like you have had your round with bad fuel for sure. Respectfully, I don't believe your issue could have been solved by an additive.

But meanwhile back to the OP's question, what additive would you recommend for the 4th generation owners?

 

[Newsa]

Looks like you have had your round with bad fuel for sure. Respectively, I don't believe your issue could have been solved by an additive.

But meanwhile back to the OP's question, what additive would you recommend for the 4th generation owners?

There are anti bio agents that prevent algae. It's supposed to be in diesel fuel i think. But you can add your own.

 

[Newsa]

Some recommend running some anti algae formula through a tank every 3 months or 6 months. I don't know what is best. I prefer optilube. But i don't think it is specifically for algae. I'm going to run some bio kleen (power service) through as a precaution. Because fuel sits in my tank when i don't drive it. And it is a perfect place for algae to grow. I've heard bio kleen kills the red-brown critters.

 

[Alphonse]

There are anti bio agents that prevent algae. It's supposed to be in diesel fuel i think. But you can add your own.

From reading his post I would suspect that it came in with the fuel and the biofuel component. Even if you kill it, you have the residue and gunk to deal with. Looked like the only hope was a super filtration system with an enormous capacity. I feel truly sorry for folks who live in areas where they have no choice but to use the biofuel dosed diesel. All the specs and good intentions in the world do not remove charlatans from the supply chain.

 

[Newsa]

From reading his post I would suspect that it came in with the fuel and the biofuel component. Even if you kill it, you have the residue and gunk to deal with. Looked like the only hope was a super filtration system with an enormous capacity. I feel truly sorry for folks who live in areas where they have no choice but to use the biofuel dosed diesel. All the specs and good intentions in the world do not remove charlatans from the supply chain.

Algae reproduces very fast in diesel that has water in it. This.red brown algae doesn't need sunlight to grow. One organism can multiply fast. Doesn't even need a partner. Asexual reproduction