Fuel Additives Re-Re-Revisited

[RichR]

Hello to all Dieselists out there.
Well I'm down to my last jug of StanadynePF,
which I have used for years on every fill.
Been really thinking of trying DCI from LE.
Kinda looking for the old magic in a bottle,
might be better for the pump,smell better,run smoother,add a few horses,get 30mpg.
So has anyone been using DCI for a period of time,not just the last two tanks. How did it do in cold weather?Any pump(12v)problems?
Likes or dislikes?
Mix ratio?
Cost and size of container?
Oilman like to hear your $ . 02 also.
Does it address gello in cold?
Thanks for any feedback or opinions.
Rich Rozak

 

[illflem]

Rich,I also have been using StanadynePF for many years,but on 3500 mile trip last month I experimented with it,Howes,and Power Service,no LE though. PS was the only one that increased my mpgs,I'm switching to it for that reason and also because it's the easiest one to get. I was parked in night time temps from -6° to +5°,no fuel gelled. All fuel was Flying J with 2-4 consecutive tanks of the same additive,I followed label instructions on all of them. . Wish I had some LE to try also,but it's probably the hardest one of the bunch to come up with while traveling. Price per gallon treated was about the same for all of them.

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95' 25004X4,AT,Driftwood,Banks Stinger,Warn fender flairs and running boards(work truck)
95 3500,5 speed 3:54,BD E-brake,Driftwood,Banks&Psycotty,34,000 GCVW apple and tractor hauler(works harder truck)

[This message has been edited by illflem (edited 02-28-2001). ]

 

[Cooker]

I've been using the LE for around 7,000 miles. Before the LE I used the Stanadyne for a couple tanks, I only bought a real small bottle. I didn't notice any difference with the Stanadyne. With the LE I did notice the engine seemed quiter at startup when cold, and it also seemed to idle a little smoother. I have used it all winter with no ill effects of the cold weather on the fuel. As far as any increase in MPG, I don't know. With the winter fuel blend and my inconsistent driving (as far as intown or highway) I really have no way of telling if it has helped much, and this is my first winter with the truck so I have nothing else to judge my winter MPG's against.

All I can say is that I am happy with the LE, and I will continue to use year round. I order it from Mag-Hytec for around $7/bottle. I use 4oz/tank so the bottle will last for 4 tanks of fuel.

Also this may be of interest, the LE edged out the Stanadyne in a test for lubricity, and my main reason for using a fuel additive is to increase the lubricity of the fuel. I think either is a excellent product, but like I said, I personally will continue to use the LE.

One more thing, my truck is a 12v.

 

[Dane]

I ran Stanadyne for the first 3 months, then tried and switched to the LE product. I like the LE because of the same reasons Cooker stated. I also need to add less of the LE product per tankfull

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2001 HO 6 speed Regular Cab SLT 4x4 3. 54 anti spin 2500. Used for the daily grind and sneaking away to some secret Baja beaches toting a cabover

 

[NVR FNSH]

How 'bout putting numbers to claims 7,9 & 10 in Oil Man's post? Any independent lab test results available?


Brian

 

[Oil Man]

Brian,
You asked for numbers on 7,9,and 10. The information that I posted was stright off the DCI+ flyer and was from the 113 truck test. That should cover the #7 and #10. As for #9 the lubricity was tested on the BOCLE data test. This test shows the scuffing load, grams of untreated fuel from 5 different locations the untreated fuel ranged from 3000 to 3800 the higher the number shows better lubricity of the fuel. These fuels treated with the LE DCI+ showed from 4100 to 4600. This proves that the DCI+ improved the lubricity of the diesel fuel that you buy at the pump. The higher the BOCLE load the better the lubricity of the fuel. LE DCI+ increased the scuffing load by 19. 4% to 36. 6% over the untreated fuel at the pump.
"7. Combustion improver- makes fuel more volatile for easier starts and more efficient combustion. This makes for smoother running engines and less soot because of more complete combustion means that you will get less soot in your engine oil.
8. Improved fuel mileage by an average of 7. 4% in a five fleet 113 truck test.
9. Improves the lubricity to protect pumps and injectors,
10. Reduces emissions by promoting complete combustion of fuel- and keeping engine tuned much longer. "

I hope this info helps you
Sincerely, Kevin

 

[Oil Man]

RichR,
The benefits of using the LE DCI+ are
1. Ashless detergent/dispersant- this will clean the fuel system from the filters to combustion chamber
2. Oxidation inhibitor- guarantees longer fuel storage life without sludge and gun formation, which will block filters and form choking deposits in the fuel system.
3. Pour point depressant- provides better low temperature fuel flowability for previously untreated or partially treated fuels. This reduces the cold filter plugging tendency.
4. Demulsifier- this helps the water separate in the filter for complete removal.
5. Rust, corrosion and oxidation inhibitors- add years to storage tank life, and other metal components.
6. Metal deactivator- prevents degradation of fuel caused by reaction of copper and bronze and eliminates performance problems in the engine.
7. Combustion improver- makes fuel more volatile for easier starts and more efficient combustion. This makes for smoother running engines and less soot because of more complete combustion means that you will get less soot in your engine oil.
8. Improved fuel mileage by an average of 7. 4% in a five fleet 113 truck test.
9. Improves the lubricity to protect pumps and injectors,
10. Reduces emissions by promoting complete combustion of fuel- and keeping engine tuned much longer.
11. The cost of the DCI+ is about $7. 00 per pint bottle. One pint bottle treats 125 gallons of fuel. This works out to about 0. 056 per gallon of fuel.

In small quantities you can get it from Mag-Hytec at 1-818-786-8325 or e-mail me for loager quantities.

Sincerely, Kevin

 

[HC]

Claim #8: mpg increase

I have not seen anywhere near a 5% mpg increase. I suspect that because my truck was newer when I started using the LCI, "cleaning the injectors" was not yet necessary. The fleet trucks were probably in "average" condition, not "new". That said, I'll continue using it for the Lubricity alone, and will try to rerun some mpg tests once we get back to summer fuel.

 

[The patriot]

Rich, I have a few different kinds of conditioners in the garage.
1 Power service, white bottle. I use it occasionally. It's available at wallmart, and about $10. 00 a gallon. Havent noticed any effects on the truck.
2 Power service "diesel Kleen". Priced about the same, but a little harder to get. I've noticed when running summer fuel I sometimes get light smoke. This stops the smoke.
3 Howes. It's $7. 00 a gallon, and it makes the truck quieter.
I think the PS MIGHT help MPG's a little, but dont expect a lot. The labels tend to err on the high side of the real world.
Eric

Correction: the power service is a 96 oz bottle. I was at Wally world tonight, and it now has "cetane boost" in it at the same price.
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98 Quad cab 4X4 2500 12 valve,5 speed,3. 54 rears, 8' bed. Michelin 275 75 16 lr-E. Boost and egt gauges but basicly stock except for a "properly adjusted" AFC. Cat in the garage. Uniden HR 2510, Texas Star 1200 amp. 63,000 Mi as of 1/27/01.
NRA life member. High power/IDPA.

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[Bob Cochran]

Where all can you get the DCI from LE? Sure be easier if locally available. There is times where mail order is not practical. Like when I retire and do not stay in one spot to long. Retirement cannot happen soon enough!!!!

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2001 RAM 3500 dually Quad Cab SLT, 4. 10 limited slip, HO 245 hp, 6-speed, dark garnet pearl coat, interior agate, All options except heated leather, added DeeZee brite diamond tool box, Linex spray-in bed liner, Lund hood deflector 3 piece smoke color, DeeZee brite diamond cab/bed running boards and TurboSaver (from Gino's) also Reese 5th wheel 15k hitch. No plans to bomb. This is my retirment vehicle currently pulling 21' 5er want to buy 30 to 35 for retirment.

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[Oil Man]

Bob, the LE DCI+ is available in 24 pint cans and from any of over 200 factory reps in the USA. You can have it delivered anywhere UPS delivers. If you wish to purchase it in smaller quantities then Mag-Hytec is the only guy that I know of that will break a case just for the TDR members like you. He will sell you one quart on up to as much as you want. His number is 1-818-786-8325 or you can call LE corporate office at 1-800-537-7683 and see who the rep is in your area.

I think Bob Klasky is the rep in your area.

Sincerely, Kevin

 

[NVR FNSH]

Oil Man,
thanks for the response on the lubricity testing. Were controlled tests run to quantify the combustion improvement & emissions reductions? I don't know if there are standarized tests to validate these claims but the statements sure sound like they came from a marketing guy.

Thanks,
Brian

 

[Oil Man]

Brian, the 113 truck 5 fleet test was where the results came from. It was not from some bench test it was real life 113 trucks. That's the real test.

Kevin

 

[BillH]

Am I the only one who uses Lubri-Diesel? Don't see anyone else talking about it. Would be interested in knowing what others think of it. I do not see any mileage gains and may try stanadyne nest time as that seems tobe popular,

 

[NVR FNSH]

Any emissions testing &/or oil analysis done on the vehicles in the 113 truck fleet? I realize that engine smoothness is a rather subjective claim but the others should have data to back them up.

Brian

 

[Oil Man]

Brian Meadows,
I see by your profile that you are a Mechanical Engineer. Most engineers have lots of logic and logic tells me if you can use a product that reduces the amount of fuel by 7. 4% on average, then you will be putting out less pollution and burning more soot that will not end up in your oil. No I'm sorry I am not prevy to those numbers as they are not printed on the flyer. Just the info that I posted earlier. I will ask the corporation if they have those #'s. Yes I have personally seen oil analysis that shows less soot in the engine oil. Sorry for not having the #'s you asked for but I'll try and see if I can get them. In the mean time logic tells us that since it lubricates better and it reduces fuel consumption then it should reduce emissions also.

Sincerely, Kevin

 

[Bob Cochran]

Oilman ~ thanks you gave me the info I needed as usual. Isn't this site great!!!!!

 

[Ranger Dick]

Just received a Case of 24 pint bottles this week. Haven't had a chance to try it yet. I bought it direct from Lubrication Engineers. Their phone number is 1-800-537-7683 I was put in touch with one of the sales managers. He was really nice and had really good information. My final price was $152 delivered to my house by ups. The case will treat 3000 gallons of fuel. This comes out to $. 0507 per gallon. Maybe we can look into a Group purchase? Unfortunately, I probably won't participate until around 3000 gallons from now.

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01. 5 ETH/DEE QC, 2500 4X4, 3. 54 Everything but leather

 

[weber1048]

This is a survey of owner/operators on fuel additives, from the Power Service web site.
If you use diesel fuel additives, which do you use most often?* (Base = 642)
Power Service 41%
Howes 20. 6% FPPF 15. 9%
Lucas 8. 4%
Heet 5. 3%
NAPA 4. 5%
Slick 50 4. 2%
Chevron/Oronite 3. 9%
CRC/Siloo 3. 4%
Pennzoil/Gumout 3. 4%
K & W Aviex 3. 3%
Berryman/Diesel 3. 1%
Pro-Flow Winter
Nalco Exxon/TD-4 3. 0%
Stanadyne/P F 2. 6%
Amsoil 2. 3%
First Brands/STP 2. 0%
Radiator Spec 1. 1%
Truck Pro/Aronal 1. 1%
Gyronol
Valvtec/Diesel 1. 1%
Octane Boost 0. 9%
Bell Additives 0. 8%
Big A 0. 6%
Penray 0. 6%
Other 6. 2%

I don't know if this just reflects what is availably at truck stops or a true reflection of what is best.

Doug

 

[Oil Man]

It reflects who advertized the most.

Kevin