Fuel additives

[Newsa]

If my quick look at K100 is correct, it contains alcohol and that is a no-no. Maybe someone else will comment on this.

- Ed

K100 smacks of snake oil. They say their products are fine for both gasoline and diesel?

 

[josephc1]

Headed for the mountains of Colorado in the morning. I have Power Service Kleen in the tank. I will be in temps below freezing tomorrow. Would it be ok to add the PS anti gel fuel supplement to the tank that already has the Diesel kleen in it. Can the two be mixed

 

[Newsa]

Headed for the mountains of Colorado in the morning. I have Power Service Kleen in the tank. I will be in temps below freezing tomorrow. Would it be ok to add the PS anti gel fuel supplement to the tank that already has the Diesel kleen in it. Can the two be mixed

I would wait until you get there (near there) to add the PS winterizer. While you are driving, the fuel filter heater will keep the filter from gelling and the fuel return to the tank will return slightly warmed fuel to the tank. But add it 30-50 miles bedore you shut down for the evening

 

[JR]

Headed for the mountains of Colorado in the morning. I have Power Service Kleen in the tank. I will be in temps below freezing tomorrow. Would it be ok to add the PS anti gel fuel supplement to the tank that already has the Diesel kleen in it. Can the two be mixed

I see you are in central Texas, if you are by chance going to be burning fuel that is not climatized to the coldest of temps you will see than absolutely treat it with antigel BEFORE you get into freezing weather. Non winterized fuel will gel up in the filter and you'll be on the side of the road.

Your best bet would be to fill up once you hit your location, that way your running climatized fuel. No worries than UNLESS you hit a cold spell that is substantially colder than average temperatures.

 

[josephc1]

Thank you for the information JR. This is our first diesel, I want to do things right. I don't know if our fuel here is treated or not, we do have a freezing spell coming near the end of the week tho we won't be here. Starting Friday night this area will be down to 32º following nights will be below freezing down into the low 20's with Christmas night the low will be 19º. We are 60 miles south of Dallas, it does get cold. Thanks again for the advice I'll do as you suggest.

 

[AH64ID]

If my quick look at K100 is correct, it contains alcohol and that is a no-no. Maybe someone else will comment on this.

- Ed

Looks like a LOT of alcohol to me. I wouldn't want that crap anywhere near my truck.

K100 smacks of snake oil. They say their products are fine for both gasoline and diesel?

They have both a gas and a diesel line that don't appear interchangeable. But as Ed pointed out it has alcohol, so it's not an additive one should use for diesel.

 

[wyosteve]

joseph, you'll be fine at those temps. Typically you'd need to add anti-gel when it gets lower than 5 deg. F.

 

[BarryG]

Joseph you mentioned you were headed to Colorado in the morning (which at this point is today) and unsure where you are going in the mountains. We are supposed to get a cold spell here in the next couple days with some night time temps single digits and couple below 0.

 

[BIGNASTY]

I would like to convey how MOST of the Petroleum racks in INDY go about making NON GEL ADDITIVE for their customers. The one that I work for (a Large one that most of the midwest use for their fuel needs no matter what name is on the big sign out front) there is an option at the rack that the driver is instructed to choose as he 0R she (need to be politically correct!!!) programs in the load sequence, such as 80/20, 70/30, 60/40 this is a percentage of #2 diesel & #1 diesel. for some reason unbeknownst to me the # 1 HAS TO BE LOADED FIRST the loading computer determines the amount of #1 by the amount asked for then the driver has to change the loading head to add the #2 diesel to finish off the load. Naturally the #2 is the same old ULSD, Bio diesel that is used throughout the rest of the year, how they keep it from clouding(another name for Gelling) in a Million or two gallon tank sitting outside in the cold I HAVE NO CLUE.

as for adding a lubricity agent I've read that none is better than BIO DIESEL which is automatically added as a Government rule, I could be wrong but I don't know of any fuel pump that dispenses straight ULSD WITHOUT bio. Im fortunate enough to be able to get it from a pump at the loading rack BEFORE the Bio additized fuel is loaded into trucks for distribution. I don't get my fuel from them as I have a company car & I'm not driving into the rack to fill up.

I still use Standyne anti gel I really don't think that if the directions are followed that a NORMAL thinking person can over additized their fuel, I did however notice today when I went to pass a slow auto that when I punched it (because I'll be DAMNED if the Ford behind me was going to get the jump on me) it really belched out some black cloud letting the Ford know I TO HAD A DIESEL

Another companies rack simply labels it as Cold Flow I can only assume that its the same economical way of making anti gel only they control the cloud point. At both racks a driver can request #2 and the customer adds their own additive which lots of the commercial customers do. I have posted a Picture of what a tour bus company and a few high dollar gas stations add to their tanks.

 

[JR]

Excellent info BIG.

RE adding #1 before #2 (sounds like the makings for a dirty joke :-laf). #1 is a lighter fuel than #2 in the distillation column, I'm assuming putting the lighter fuel in first will help in mixing the two together. But that is pure speculation.

 

[ZBrooks]

Bio diesel that is used throughout the rest of the year, how they keep it from clouding(another name for Gelling) in a Million or two gallon tank sitting outside in the cold I HAVE NO CLUE.

as for adding a lubricity agent I've read that none is better than BIO DIESEL which is automatically added as a Government rule, I could be wrong but I don't know of any fuel pump that dispenses straight ULSD WITHOUT bio. Im fortunate enough to be able to get it from a pump at the loading rack BEFORE the Bio additized fuel is loaded into trucks for distribution.

I only know of a few stations that dispense diesel with biodiesel already added and those stations are typically Sinclair branded.

I add the biodiesel to my storage tank before it goes into my vehicles.

 

[JR]

I only know of a few stations that dispense diesel with biodiesel already added and those stations are typically Sinclair branded.

I add the biodiesel to my storage tank before it goes into my vehicles.[/QUOTE

B2/B5 is not required by federal law to be posted at the pump. Most have at a minimum B2 with B5 becoming more and more popular. Just because it is not posted does not mean your not getting it.

 

[Killgore]

And, because it's not posted is also a reason to believe it's not being added, LOL. Sorry, JR, I wish it was in our fuel.

 

[josephc1]

Joseph you mentioned you were headed to Colorado in the morning (which at this point is today) and unsure where you are going in the mountains. We are supposed to get a cold spell here in the next couple days with some night time temps single digits and couple below 0.

We are in Montrose for a few days then heading to Glenwood Springs for about a week. A few snow flurries here this morning also on the cool side. Going down to 13º tonight, the next couple of weeks should be interesting. I've added 16oz of Power Service Supplement to a full tank of fuel, should be OK with that. When home in Texas the Ram is always in the garage when not in use so I don't worry about fuel gelling in what we call cold temps.

 

[Newsa]

Searched for a ULSD thread. Couldn't find one.

Check out this I found on a pump in eastern TN.

 

[JR]

That's an old sticker from the transition period. Hasn't been any highway LSD since 2010. 2014 was the cut off for off road diesel, although most if not all retailers converted well before that.

 

[Newsa]

Thanks to all for the info. We are experiencing unseasonably cold temps here in Illinois.

Will have temps reach below zero a few times this week. The fuel winterizer that I have been using has likely saved my rump. I started adding it in Georgia as recommended.

I noticed that the diesel is pumping significantly slower here in cold temps. I thought that might be because of inadequately winterized fuel. Pumps trying to pump fuel on the verge of gelling.
Talking to the dealership here, it is probably just cold diesel being pumped through dirty filters on the pumps. Apparently, not every station does due diligence in changing the filters on the diesel pumps?

Seems that they would lose business by making someone stand in the cold for 25-30 mins just to fill a tank?

But at least they have filters in their pumps. I could see some removing the filters and gerryriggin the pumps to "think " it has a filter in it????

Additional rhought..... if the fuel wasn't winterized adequately, would the pump have trouble pumping it to the fuel tank? I realize it pumps against gravity. And the fuel tanks underground likely are a bit insulated from the extreme cold?????

 

[MarkEagleUSA]

And the fuel tanks underground likely are a bit insulated from the extreme cold?????

Anything below the frost line (~48") wouldn't see temps much below 50°.

 

[m37]

When bad fuel and extreme cold temps are around, you will see diesel powered vehicles broke down in numerous places at the side of the road (and a lot of wreckers). This includes TTs and straight trucks. At that point start to panic and dump in some 911 or whatever you believe in.
After all this hopefully you have clean filters with no water.....or ice.

 

[Jared Herzog]

Do the fuel stations fuel pump filters have bypasses in them? I imagine they will just open and allow unfiltered fuel in rather than stop flow when they are dirty. With some of the stuff i have seen come out of fuel pumps i imagine the micron rating is baseball size.