Fuel filter removal

[LightmanE300]

Barbwire - I don't think so. The stuff is wet/oily to start with, so I dont think a vaccum would pick it up. At least the residue that was in the bottom of my fuel filter cannister was somewhat gritty. I just don't think you could get it dry enough to vacuum up.



I bet the dealer NEVER cleans out the cannister, and I'd be surprised/impressed if they even drain the fuel for people that take their trucks in for service. Glad to say mine's never been to the dealer for ANYTHING in 40k.

 

[Ver Hey]

Fuel Filter

Will a Fleetguard FS1268 fuel/water separator fit my 2004. 5 Ram 2500 600/325 autmatic. If not, what will it fit? Thanks.

 

[Ver Hey]

Emailed the Fleetwood people and here is the reply. The FS1268 fits a 1999 Cummins ISB 5. 9 engine only.

 

[Iguide]

When changing my fuel filter today I checked the bottom of my canister. Since several people had reported having a lot of dark grit etc. I was concerned. As much as possible I try to drain my filter canister every time I fill up. I had noticed that when I do not my mileage decreases some. When I looked in the canister, I noticed a little grit or dark colored material. It has been about 8000 miles since the last change. The filter was very dark in color. Fleetguard filters were not available from the local auto parts so I got a Wix. I was told, they are a high quality filter. Does anyone know how the compare to Fleetguard? This is what the dealer sells for a substantial amount more.

 

[Cattletrkr]

... As much as possible I try to drain my filter canister every time I fill up. I had noticed that when I do not my mileage decreases some...

Well, it's official. I'll have to do one more quick check of the memory banks, but I'm pretty sure I've heard it all now.

 

[Iguide]

Well, it's official. I'll have to do one more quick check of the memory banks, but I'm pretty sure I've heard it all now.

Well Good for you, & what do you mean by that?

 

[hclark]

I noticed, if you leave the drain open when unscrewing the cannister, it appears to eliminate the vacuum effect on the top of the cannister.

 

[LightmanE300]

Well, it's official. I'll have to do one more quick check of the memory banks, but I'm pretty sure I've heard it all now.

:-laf I was also kinda scratching my head there for a second :-laf

 

[Cattletrkr]

If you seriously think you are getting better mileage by draining the canister at every fillup, or nearly every one, you have MUCH more severe issues than water/dirt in your fuel. Do you change your oil and air filters after driving through a dust cloud?? Draining the filter canister every 500 miles or whatever would be just as high on the ridiculous overkill-o-meter. If anything, you are getting worse mileage by doing so. Fuel on the ground does not improve mileage.



Please tell me this is some sort of "bit" that I fell for.

 

[Iguide]

All knowing god of the diesel

If you seriously think you are getting better mileage by draining the canister at every fillup, or nearly every one, you have MUCH more severe issues than water/dirt in your fuel. Do you change your oil and air filters after driving through a dust cloud?? Draining the filter canister every 500 miles or whatever would be just as high on the ridiculous overkill-o-meter. If anything, you are getting worse mileage by doing so. Fuel on the ground does not improve mileage.



Please tell me this is some sort of "bit" that I fell for.

Please for give me oh great Cattletrkr for I am an ignorant &. unknowing neophyte. Please do not berate me or cast aspersions upon me for being different that your mightiness. I bow before you oh great and all knowing god of the diesel . I promise to never voice my opinion in any thread or subject that you have participated in and have demonstrated your superior knowledge. : :{ ;





Take life a little less serious & enjoy it. You will have a lot more fun than if you don't, & a more homonis out come. :-laf :-laf

 

[Cattletrkr]

Heed my words. Thus sayeth the "great and all knowing god of the diesel"

I say a lot of things that get me in trouble, almost daily. I let a lot of things go that I shouldn't. I thought about not replying to your first post, but I just couldn't let that go. It's just so far beyond my realm of comprehension as to why you think you get better mileage that I have to press the issue.



I am very ignorant myself on many a diesel topic and am not afraid to admit it. But this ranks right up there with, "what's that whistling sound coming from the pass. side of my engine compartment?????"



Please tell me, why do you think you see an improvement in mileage?? Was is something you found out once and figure you see it all the time? Did someone tell you that, and you blindly followed? There are soooo many factors involved in mileage, and this could be one, but I don't for the life of me don't see how. Instead of getting all pissy about it, please explain this to me, as I am ignorant as well.

 

[ramtifosi]

We are here to exchange ideas, not force them down each others throat. Please back off dude, Its only a comment. Not an order. We all have different ideas about anything.

 

[nickleinonen]

How the heck are you guys actually cleaning the bottom of the cannister??

if i see no real collection of grit down there, i don't... i know at work when i am changing out the cartridge filters in the loco's, i don't even drain the vertical filters... just pop the lid,pull the filter out [6"x30" primary, secondarys are spin on's] drop a new one in, and good for service after that...



i'd rather leave a little dirt down in the bottom of the canister than risk getting some dirt dropping down the clean side pickup when cleaning it out...

 

[rbattelle]

if i see no real collection of grit down there, i don't... i know at work when i am changing out the cartridge filters in the loco's, i don't even drain the vertical filters... just pop the lid,pull the filter out [6"x30" primary, secondarys are spin on's] drop a new one in, and good for service after that...



i'd rather leave a little dirt down in the bottom of the canister than risk getting some dirt dropping down the clean side pickup when cleaning it out...

I said it before and I'll say it again: Nick you have an awesome job.



-Ryan

 

[nickleinonen]

I said it before and I'll say it again: Nick you have an awesome job.



-Ryan

thank you... and hopefully today or tomorrow i will get my letter from the minstry of training & education with the results of my licencing exam i wrote last week... if i managed to pass that test, i will then hold an interprovencial [red seal] HD equipment mechanics licence... not too bad... less than 3 years as an appreitice for it in a trade where the normal apprentice time is 4. 5 years [9000hrs]



then it might be time to see if i can get my industrial electricians ticket...



[edit]

well, not as good on my exam as i would have liked, but 81% is still a pass [70% needed to pass]

 

[Iguide]

I say a lot of things that get me in trouble, almost daily. I let a lot of things go that I shouldn't. I thought about not replying to your first post, but I just couldn't let that go. It's just so far beyond my realm of comprehension as to why you think you get better mileage that I have to press the issue.



I am very ignorant myself on many a diesel topic and am not afraid to admit it. But this ranks right up there with, "what's that whistling sound coming from the pass. side of my engine compartment?????"



Please tell me, why do you think you see an improvement in mileage?? Was is something you found out once and figure you see it all the time? Did someone tell you that, and you blindly followed? There are soooo many factors involved in mileage, and this could be one, but I don't for the life of me don't see how. Instead of getting all pissy about it, please explain this to me, as I am ignorant as well.

One of the things that I have learned in the last 50yrs is that different people in different place's can experience different things. Even if all things are, equal. It actually has a name "chaos theory". I track of a variety of evens for my truck. I have a log that gets entries every time something is done to her. Everything from fill ups to filter changes. Hours run, hrs. Per tank, mpg. are some of the things. It is documented. That is why I can state with impunity that when I do not drain that fuel filter canister I average . 3 to . 4 average less mpg than when I do drain it. Why? I do not know. There are many variables, & I'm not that good or knowledgeable. I can also state once again with impunity that around the area empty I average 22. 5 to 23. 1 mpg and on my most recent trip empty was 25. 5 mpg one way and 20. 7mpg back towing a 1 1/2 ton military trailer {done by hand and the over head. Which have coincided since a reflash a little more that a month ago}. For those that will say no way, all I can say is that I have the up documentation to back it up, & if that is not good enough. Bring your truck here & we will run side by side. There is a great deal that I do not know about these trucks, & there are many people that I have developed a great deal of respect for because of their vastly superior knowledge and willingness to share it. Any other questions? If so please just, ask. Other wise do not tell me somthing I track is not so. You are not walking in my shoes.



Every one take care & May the Lord help you make it a Great Day.

Wayne

 

[JSellers]

Averages are just averages - the math is relative

That is why I can state with impunity that when I do not drain that fuel filter canister I average . 3 to . 4 average less mpg than when I do drain it. Why? I do not know. There are many variables, & I'm not that good or knowledgeable. I can also state once again with impunity that around the area empty I average 22. 5 to 23. 1 mpg and on my most recent trip empty was 25. 5 mpg one way and 20. 7mpg back towing... .

W. A.



I think I have to agree with Cattletrkr about this. You've given us some mileage numbers that differ in a range of 10-12%. But, you're telling us that draining - or not draining - the filter cannister makes a difference of 0. 3-0. 4 MPG? That's less than 2-3% of your fuel mileage figures. That much difference can be accounted for by differences in the fuel station pumps, or the hoze nozzles, or how far you have the nozzle inserted in the filler neck, or any number of other factors. That's why we calculate, and call these figures averages. Your AVERAGE mileage has a variance range of 10-12%.



I'm not disputing what you've experienced with your record keeping. Just trying to offer some explanations. But, like some have said, I don't think draining the filter cannister will result in better mileage. It would have to make mileage worse, if it's accounted at all.



Offered in the spirit of understanding,

John

 

[Iguide]

John: Thank you and accepted as such. Your assessment could very well be correct. All I can tell you is what I have told you. I just do not know enough to go beyond that at this time, other than to explain my experiences. I just installed the tank vent kit today. Therefore, my fill ups should be easier to be consistent about. I gotta be the worlds slowest Mechanic. Took me 6 hours. Seems like all the other post were 2. 5 to 3. Oh well I get to go watch moose tomorrow.



Take Care All.

Wayne

 

[claymike]

Well, it's official. I'll have to do one more quick check of the memory banks, but I'm pretty sure I've heard it all now.

LOL me too :-laf

 

[Oldroostman]

The reason steady force helps is because the tightness of the cap is friction between the cap sealing o- ring and the cap ,if a 6 point socket is used along with a half inch drive breaker bar before any rounding of the plastic hex occurs , removal isn't a problem