Fuel Line Upgrage--retaining test ports-?

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My next project is redoing the fuel lines with the 1/2 braided hose and Aeroquip fittings.

On the 2000 & 2001 trucks the filter canister is different, as you know, and I looked it over and meausured up the lines this morning. It looks like it will be an easy project and 48" of hose and 5 fittings should do the trick.

On the '00/'01 the line from the lift pump connects to the rear side of the fuel filter canister at the top. The line leaving it connects to the middle of the BOTTOM of the canister and goes to the VP44. On these vintage trucks the test ports are Schrader valves that are actually the bolt that screws into the middle of the Banjo fitting! So, I am going to lose my means of tapping into the system when I ditch the banjo bolts #ad


SO, any ideas???? Is there such a thing as a Aeroquip fitting that would be a T with a Schrader valve or at least threaded so you can cap it? These Schrader valves are at the fitting for the line coming into the fuel filter, and the fitting at the VP44.

TIA,

Vaughn


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Vaughn. . Call Summit 1-800-230-3030 the Aero catalog is much larger than Summit shows in their catalig... should be a Tee fitting, don't know about a cap or schrader fitting. . you might have to make an adapter. . like tap the Tee or something

Gary

 

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Vaughn, I have planned to install a tee fitting for this purpose. This would allow one to install a pressure sensor or a plug.
Fuel line upgrades are my next priority for the late model trucks. Need to get some line and fittings in house so we can make up a few sets of lines for the BOMBers.

 

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HVAC, My hope is there will be a Tee which I'd screw into the VP44, where the fuel line would screw in at 90deg to the pump fitting. The fitting 180deg from the pump would be the -4AN fitting for the test port. I'll call to find out in the morning and post what I find, and that will help you out in putting something together for the late model rigs.

QUESTION: what is the thread size and pitch that I need to order to screw into the pump, lift pump, etc. ?? And the braided hose is 1/2" ID correct?

Thanks Willyslover for the phone # #ad

 

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Vaughn, I am using 3/8"(-6)line on my truck
but 1/2 would be fine I suppose (-8). I am not sure about the thread into the pump etc. I believe it is 12mm. My goal would be to avoid 90's in the fuel system with the exception of the Aeroquip swept 90's.

 

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I have been emailing "QuadCab4x4. . . " and he gave me part numbers for the fittings from Summit:

1) 12mm to -6AN male adapter AER-FCM2116
These screw into the holes vacated by the Banjo bolts which enable you to screw your Aeroquip hose ends to the fuel filter, pumps, etc. Require 5 for the job.

2) 90deg Hose End Fitting, -6AN AER-FCM4022
Need 5 of these.
3) Fuel Hose, -6AN (3/8" ID) 6' AER-FCA0606. For the 3' hose, AER-FCA0603.
When I measured, it will take 48" of hose if you run braided line from the steel fuel line hose to the lift pump. 3' will be plenty if you reuse the rubber line to the lift pump and use braided steel line everywhere else--can't really see this line anyway.

I have a contact at a vendor called MaxPro in Tacoma that thinks he can get me a -6AN Tee with one part of the Tee -4AN to go with the fitting on my gauge I already have set up.

 

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Vaughn... a couple things here, i didnt get the 12mm to -06 from summit. . i tried Jegs an they seemed uninterested in helping me which is odd cause i always get good customer service from them, anyway i bought them from a local guy who was a dealer. Any aeroquip dealer will able to help you. Look at there site(aeroquip.com) to find your nearest dealer. Am using only 4 12mm to -06 right now as i left my lift pump fitting from the tank is stock till i decided if and when i need a new one and what kind of pump to purchase. Right now am seeing 9psi under rock and roll... but this is without my Blue Box. . so i guess i will have to update everyone on that data... JB

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Vaughn, the part number you included in your last post, FCM4022 is not a 90 degree fitting. If you want a 90 degree fitting then you want part number FCM4032. This is for the -6 Aeroquip braided steel line.

The other thing I would mention is the FCM2116-06, 12mm x 1. 5 thread weber fittings require copper crush washers. Are you aware of this? Did QuadCabRam give you the part number for the crush washers?

 

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HVAC... i informed vaughn of the crush washers, but ones i e-mailed you about before were incorrect and i tried to find the right ones with no-aval... since I wanted to get the job done i used the factory ones. I was leary of doing this, but it worked ... people can save a couple of bucks by using the factoy ones... If you want to post the part #'s ,thats up to you. am happy with the way mine came out. . am not selling these kits... jus think a do it yourselfer can save some dough by doing it themselves for about 100 bucks EDIT... the FCM-4032 is the 90 degree . . i might of typed it wrong or copied wrong. . no biggy. . all fixed... JB

[This message has been edited by QuadDoorRam25004x4diesel (edited 07-10-2000). ]

 

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Hi Guys,
I don't want to rain on anyones parade here, but I think this needs to be addressed.
Upgradeing the Pressure side of the pump is all well and good but you are not doing anything about the weakest link in the chain.
When I say this I mean that fuel pumps don't draw as well as they push!!!
The Feed line into the pump should be larger than the pressure side, simple Physics.
If you reduce the amount of vacumm it takes to draw the fuel from the tank, it increases pressure and volume on the pressure side.
Hence the design and availability of the JRE 1/2" fuel system.
This system gives a true 1/2" pick up tube inside the tank and #8 lines all the way to the lift pump.
Also provides a 3/8" return line back to the tank.
If you are looking for a better fuel pump that will bolt right on to the stock mounting bracket, Carter makes a high output version that has 3/8" npt inlet and outlet, 15 psi 110 gallons per hour.
I have them in stock.

Hope this helps.
Ted Jannetty

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Ted Jannetty, Owner President Jannetty Racing Enterprises Inc.
97 3500 4x4 club cab 5spd. RED, JRE stage 3 power kit, JRE 4" exhaust
JRE 1/2 inch fuel system, Cummins 370 hp injectors, Prime loc,
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gauges, boost, and Pyrometer, BD exhaust brake.
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Thanks guys for correcting the PNs and info 'bout parts sourcing.

When laying under my truck and spec'ing out my fuel lines, the main line coming from the tank does look smallish. I agree with Ted once the lines between the lift and injection pump are upgraded, everything back to the tank is the big restriction, especially if pumps are better pumpers than suckers #ad
. And speaking of the return line, it appears it also would be restrictive once everything else is opened up and flow greatly improved, since it's gravity fed. What I was wondering is, once flow is increased, whether fuel will back feed up through the injector return line from the cylinder head and create problems--?

I want to BOMB my fuel lines between the lift & injection pumps since there seems to be plenty of evidence this mod yields good results. After this restriction is taken care of, I may do a 1/2" line more for the sake of improving fuel economy and performance by reducing fuel aeration. I also remember Ted mentioning a restriction in the fuel pickup tube.

Vaughn

 

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QuaddoorRam & HVAC,

Are these SUMMIT or AEROQUIP part numbers? If Summit, do you know the Aeroquip numbers? Thanks, Vaughn

 

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Vaughn . . i gave ya the Summit #'s... they use AER to identify it as aeroquip... . they might not have the 12mm to -06... i got that local... JB

 

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FYI. . Summits catalog doesn't list everything they carry. . If they don't have it in stock have them rush order it to you. . usually a couple more days required. .
Gary

PS. . If you want to after they answer the line and give you the welcome spiel. . hit option #4 then dial 5946. . [It's my son. . he might as well get credit for the sale]

 

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Well, after paying a visit to a local vendor that handles fittings for several manufacturers, it looks like there is no such tee to get me what I want. I also don't like the idea of having more fittings than what is really necessary.

But, I may have another solution. I should be able to drill & tap the canister and screw in the proper fitting that will serve as a test port. I'll remove my fuel filter and see if there is room in the canister bottom to install a fitting that will tap the post-filter side of the system. I should be able to do the same at the top near the fuel line fitting to tap into the pre-filter side. Will keep ya posted on what I find.

 

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Hey Gary, If only 20% of us members that need the fuel line upgrade (which should be all 3400+ of us) call and order from your son,they'll probably make him sales manager for setting all time sales records! #ad
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I'll do my part for the family and give him a call tomorrow!
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thanks on his part... he is off saturdays. . on sunday from 12. . 6 PST. . weekdays 12. . 6 PST

BTW. . my damn CJ7 project has done him well this year. . his 67 comaro small block 475 HP with richmond 6 sp has kept him broke though. . like his dad he is a gearhead #ad
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FYI
Here are the actual Aeroquip part numbers:

FBA0600 AQP racing hose, -6AN (3/8" ID)
FCM4032 90deg elbow, SAE 37deg (JIC/AN) Swivel
FCM2116 12x1. 5mm to -6AN adapter (Weber bowl fitting)


The 90deg fitting is 90 deg, I don't know what all that 37deg & JIC stuff is. . . verbatim from Aeroquip catalog. Nice catalog by the way #ad

 

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<font color=blue>37 degree JIC has something to do with the angle of the fitting where it attaches. Just gotta match up the numbers... a 45 degree won't match upto a 37 degree etc. . you get the picture. I can't think of the name of what it exactly stands for off the top of my head but that is what it is refering to. I remember that from my Hydralics(my favorite class at Denver Automotive and Diesel College, liked it so much i took it TWICE) class several years ago. I used to be damn good at making up hoses, but since I have this office job now I probably forgot how. <font size=-2>

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Vaughn,
I have been watching this thread with great interest as I have to get this done to my 01.
Request, when you get the first one on and go to make up the next set, lay the lines out together on something and take a picture of them. Labeling them with the with the part numbers and lengths of line, would even be cooler so as some us visually challenged guys to see the picture in our heads.
Mike