fuel/water separator

[deeselfitter]

I am going to interrupt the fuel line between the fuel tank and oem filter to install a F/W separator (baldwin BF1212). Just to be sure ,is it the top line running along the chassis rail that feeds the back side of the oem canister???
Also going to look for a donaldson P551313 to go between the oem and the CP3.....is there a better rated filter out there as a last defense before the pump?
thanks in advance
Wayne

 

[JJPage]

I am going to interrupt the fuel line between the fuel tank and oem filter to install a F/W separator (baldwin BF1212). Just to be sure ,is it the top line running along the chassis rail that feeds the back side of the oem canister???

It's a metal line, I don't remember how it was positioned, you will have trace it out visually to be certain. There is an open location, just forward of the fuel tank on the inside driver's frame rail, that the new filter/head assembly will fit. There were actually two little "ears", on the frame of my truck that accepted the kit that Bryan from DPP, had given me to try, it was a duel filter kit, and not engineered for the most efficient location, but it was "given" to me.

Good Luck with your install Wayne, snap a few pics when complete and post them up.

 

[deeselfitter]

It's a metal line, I don't remember how it was positioned, you will have trace it out visually to be certain. There is an open location, just forward of the fuel tank on the inside driver's frame rail, that the new filter/head assembly will fit. There were actually two little "ears", on the frame of my truck that accepted the kit that Bryan from DPP, had given me to try, it was a duel filter kit, and not engineered for the most efficient location, but it was "given" to me.

Good Luck with your install Wayne, snap a few pics when complete and post them up.

I am going to fabricate a bracket to go under there somewhere ....pretty sure it may not be that attractive but surely functional. I would like to hang it on those 2 "ears" you mentioned.....I have them on mine also. I don't have a lot of access to aftermarket items here in Newfoundland and the canadian buck has really gone south in the last couple months and getting things shipped in from locations in the U.S. of A is wicked expensive.
I have been trying to post a couple pics of my truck on here but cant't seem to get it to fly......am i missing something?

 

[CBari]

Don't remember if it is the top line or not but the larger diameter line is the one that goes from the tank to the back of the filter housing.

 

[deeselfitter]

I will be sure before i cut it.
Thanks C bari

 

[JJPage]

I will be sure before i cut it.
Thanks C bari

Run the fuel level in your tank down to below 1/4 tank if possible before you cut the line, it will help stop the siphoning affect that will happen if the tank is full.

 

[deeselfitter]

Run the fuel level in your tank down to below 1/4 tank if possible before you cut the line, it will help stop the siphoning affect that will happen if the tank is full.

Thanks JJ....I was thinking that also

 

[CKelley1]

it is the top larger line
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[deeselfitter]

it is the top larger line
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Thanks for the pics Kelley....I believe i have it now ....made a bracket today and will do the install tomorrow (Baldwin BF1212 F/W).

 

[deeselfitter]

I am going to fabricate a bracket to go under there somewhere ....pretty sure it may not be that attractive but surely functional. I would like to hang it on those 2 "ears" you mentioned.....I have them on mine also. I don't have a lot of access to aftermarket items here in Newfoundland and the canadian buck has really gone south in the last couple months and getting things shipped in from locations in the U.S. of A is wicked expensive.
I have been trying to post a couple pics of my truck on here but cant't seem to get it to fly......am i missing something?

Just finished my first line of defense with a Baldwin BF1212. Home made bracket attached to the 2 rear front seat bolts (replaced with longer ones). All that white residue you see on the chassis and undercarriage is Newfoundland road salt.I did the install outdoors lying on a big piece of cardboard....It's only -12 C today.
I had 2 shutoff valves with barbed ends that worked great with the rubber hose. Yes they are toilet shut-offs......wonder how long they will work in our climate with all the chemicals they are using on the roads here in mid -atlantic

 

[JJPage]

Toilet shut off valves are not rated for fuel (WAG), the fuel is likely to wash out any packing and you will not have a tight system....Sorry

 

[deeselfitter]

Toilet shut off valves are not rated for fuel (WAG), the fuel is likely to wash out any packing and you will not have a tight system....Sorry

JJ
What is meant by "packing"? These are all steel with a steel (not plastic) ball valve......but.....if there is a risk of contaminants in my system by having them there....i will def. pull them. They are just for convenience when changing the filter.

 

[JJPage]

Packing is a sealing material added to some valves for that reason(sealing), sometimes the packing is only in the stem portion of the valve, the valves you used may or may not utilize a method of packing, I would definitely replace with fuel rated valves at your earliest convenience. Jess

 

[deeselfitter]

Packing is a sealing material added to some valves for that reason(sealing), sometimes the packing is only in the stem portion of the valve, the valves you used may or may not utilize a method of packing, I would definitely replace with fuel rated valves at your earliest convenience. Jess

OK Jess
I appreciate the heads up.
Do you have an under hood filter (3rd defense) I am going to try and fabricate a bracket tomorrow that mimics the one that GDP sells and attach it to my intake with a Donaldson P551313 attached to it. seems like a "shaky" place to have a fuel filter but i am open to suggestions about another location.
Wayne

 

[AH64ID]

I have the underhood MK2+ kit with a P551313 and it seems to work good. With 94K miles my injectors were ±2% from each other an with 2% of stock flow.

 

[deeselfitter]

I have the underhood MK2+ kit with a P551313 and it seems to work good. With 94K miles my injectors were ±2% from each other an with 2% of stock flow.

Yeah AH 64....i have been reading threads by the hundreds here since i joined a couple weeks ago and the P551313 seems to rate a bit better than the Cat 1R-750..... that seems to be the popular vote here at least

 

[AH64ID]

As of right now the P551313 is the best available, once the Fleetguard FF5814 is released it will be better.

 

[deeselfitter]

We have a Dealer that sells Baldwin here and another that sells Donaldson.......i haven't seen Fleetguard around here at all

 

[cerberusiam]

Mounting it to the frame like the Dodge kit would have probably been better. A little further out of the road garbage stream. Considering how bad the ULSD is you probably should have used a filter base with a heater. Even though Canada seems to have better fuel that is not helping on these exposed filters, they are still freezing up in the extreme cold. A insulation wrap on the lines and the filter would be hihgly recommended at this point. Too much ice and cold air around the lines and the filte ris a recipe for problems.

 

[deeselfitter]

Mounting it to the frame like the Dodge kit would have probably been better. A little further out of the road garbage stream. Considering how bad the ULSD is you probably should have used a filter base with a heater. Even though Canada seems to have better fuel that is not helping on these exposed filters, they are still freezing up in the extreme cold. A insulation wrap on the lines and the filter would be hihgly recommended at this point. Too much ice and cold air around the lines and the filte ris a recipe for problems.

I would like to think that the fuel we get is treated with some anti -gel at least. I have been making a habit of adding some power service (white bottle) with every fill up. It is -22 C here now and the weather has been cold here for a couple months. I have a lot of buddies in the trucking and motorcoach industry and haven't heard mention of gelling like i used to years ago....they must be treating the fuel with something. In the meanwhile i will look at some line wrap and possibly a heater wrap of some sort for the filter......if there is anything like that available.
thanks for the advise Cerb