Engine/Transmission (1998.5 - 2002) Fueling Box ?'s

[RussW1911]

I am trying to figure out what brand and/or type of fueling box to go with on my truck. Planning on DDII or III injectors and have heard you need a fueling box to appreciate the new found power. Any suggestions? Thanks.

 

[jerrethomas]

the edge comp box would work really well for ya, better included a new clutch in your bombing. i'm pretty sure with even and edge ez and injectors like you mentioined your gonna have clutch problems.

 

[jwilliams3]

Go with a 100hp injector from the start, do it right the first time.

Something like an ATS20%,DD3,BD3.



As far as fueling boxes go, you cant go wrong with an Edge Comp.

It provides fueling and timing enhancements.

But, there is also the Power Max3 or the Blue Chip FMS which have more user features, but offer no timing advancement (this is where piggybacking a timing box comes in)



You'll get plenty of opinions on this topic!



--Justin

 

[RCone]

Depends on how your are gonna use your truck. If you are going to tow or carry a heavy camper I would recommend DD2's and and EZ. Anything more than 350rwhp (and with the above you will be between 300-350) will not be good for towing (EGT's to high, etc. If you want to go full speed ahead, by all means do it right the first time and go with the 3's and an Edge Comp box. However, just remember the extra $1200 for a clutch and a voided warranty. JMHO



Good Luck and Regards,



Roger

 

[RussW1911]

DDII's and an EZ

I am a pretty easy driver. Will my stock clutch be ok under normal driving conditions? Very rarely tow more than 8000 lbs. I was told the Comp box is a bit too much for towing because of EGT's. With the DDII's and EZ along with an exhaust and air intake will that be a good combo for everyday and my weekend trailer tows. After I Take care of that I will be putting an exhaust brake on. Have to weed through the many makers of those and figure out what I want there. Oh yeah guages and Carter pusher are taken care of. Figured i should do all that before I went for any power. BTW, would I need to install aftermarket Banjo's or is that for more aggressive fuelupgrades?

Thanks for the info. Learning a lot for my 35 bucks



Russ

 

[JTroiano]

I have the Comp and DD3's. You will need a clutch if you use all the power. In regards to towing I just leave the Comp off and I have no problem with a 3,500 pound slide in and a 3,500 pound boat. The EGT's can get up to 1,200 if you really try. I would get some gauges and a pusher pump. If you are in Portland and need a hand let me know.

Jon T

 

[jerrethomas]

Re: DDII's and an EZ

Originally posted by rwallis

I am a pretty easy driver. Will my stock clutch be ok under normal driving conditions? Very rarely tow more than 8000 lbs. I was told the Comp box is a bit too much for towing because of EGT's. With the DDII's and EZ along with an exhaust and air intake will that be a good combo for everyday and my weekend trailer tows. After I Take care of that I will be putting an exhaust brake on. Have to weed through the many makers of those and figure out what I want there. Oh yeah guages and Carter pusher are taken care of. Figured i should do all that before I went for any power. BTW, would I need to install aftermarket Banjo's or is that for more aggressive fuelupgrades?

Thanks for the info. Learning a lot for my 35 bucks



Russ

your going to be cutting it close for the ddII's and the edge ez. from what i've read, not all clutchs have the same holding capacity(stock clutch that is) some will hold it other won't. it might hold for what u use your truck for and it might not. it's pretty much your choice but when it slips driving the truck will not be as fun!!!

 

[JR2]

If you go with any injectors and a box you will need a clutch. If you go DD3's or similar and a Comp you also need some fuel system upgrades and some sort of improved air box/big filter. If towing with the box and injectors I would also reccomend a 4" exhaust system.



I also did not see gauges in your sig, you need boost/egt and fuel press before you do anything.

 

[Diesel Freak]

Re: Re: DDII's and an EZ

Originally posted by jerrethomas

your going to be cutting it close for the ddII's and the edge ez. from what i've read, not all clutchs have the same holding capacity(stock clutch that is) some will hold it other won't. it might hold for what u use your truck for and it might not. it's pretty much your choice but when it slips driving the truck will not be as fun!!!

The only problem there... ... He will really like the power.



What does power do? It corrupts... ... so eventually he will be needing a clutch.

 

[CAT320B]

Just curious does the timing improve bottom end response?

 

[Big P]

Yes!

 

[Blacksdieselhp]

I would definately go with the Edge Comp box. I've tryed almost every box out there and edge is by far the most dependable and trouble free. I guess the clutch is something to worry about, but I thought I would let you know that I have 80k miles on my stock clutch in the 6 spd and it got an Edge Drag Comp the first day I had it and my trailer wieghs in at 22,200 lb. s empty and I usually haul three horses on it. That would make it closer to 26,000 lb. s. So I guess you just have to give your stock clutch a shot. I'm not saying it will take the power because I've toasted 3 6spd clutches in my other trucks, but I would give it a chance before spending $1300 right off.

 

[RCone]

For towing, maintaining EGT's, 4" turbo-back exhaust, no resonantor, straight thru quality muffler is good. Unless you go to a comp type box you will not need to change the banjo's or mess with a pusher pump. Many threads on pusher pumps and as Editor of TDR said in issue 37 I think, pusher pump not necessary. Maybe if you were exceeding 400 rwhp. Just keep a close watch on lift pump pressure. You should do that even if you were stock. I personally check mine twice a month with Briar Hoppers guauge. Also, you don't need a BHAF unless are going all out on power. An inbox AFE with the boot removed will do you just fine for air flow and protect your engine better.



Roger

 

[RCone]

Sorry, meant to include in previous response. My opinion, really consider only 2 brands of exhaust brake. I have had both. PacBrake is the more cost effective and works just about as well as BD. A few weeks back. somebody conducted a survey on exhaust brakes. PacBrake was the most popular.



Roger

 

[Roger rodbolt]

Originally posted by Blacksdiesel HP

I would definately go with the Edge Comp box. I've tryed almost every box out there and edge is by far the most dependable and trouble free.



Blackdiesel HP,

What boxes have you tried and how were they not dependable? I do all the testing that I can afford and am puzzled at your statement . Larry

 

[Blacksdieselhp]

I have tried the powermax 3, the power button, blue chip, edge comp and drag comp. The biggest problem with the first three is that the engine cut out severely. I'm assuming because there is no timing changes as there is with the edge box. I talked with several different people on what the problem was and most of the people I talked to told me that they've never herd of this problem. But I could go to tdr discussion forums and find several topics on this same subject. I know people are using timing boxes and fueling boxes together, but it cost a lot more than just buying the edge box. The other problem is that the boost module on every one of these boxes except edge went bad and I'm sure you know, but when that happens, the computer sees no boost so therefore no fuel. I'm a dealer for all these boxes except the power button, but I personally think edge has the best box.

 

[78repowerwagon]

I personally have not seen or heard of a power button, but I have used the TST and the FMS and have not seen a problem cutting out. A year ago or longer the TST had a hiccup occasionally (like once every tank or two) but that problem was solved with a different ground. Other than that they have been trouble free. I personally prefer the TST or the Blue Chip stacked with a timing box. Yes it costs more but it makes more power plus has added features the Edge does not have.

 

[jwilliams3]

Adding a timing box to the FMS or TST does make more power then just a TST without or FMS without the piggyback.



Recently at the BMD dyno event, piggybacked trucks made similar hp numbers and trucks equipped with the Drag Comp did about the same as the piggybacked trucks.



So the difference is price and user features.



--Justin

 

[WadePatton]

my story

and I hope to stick to it.



I have the DDUFM-which is a very slightly alterd PE Comp. Stock clutch holds except at heavy acceleration from low RPM in levels 4 and 5.



I'm going with DD3's next--after the SouthBend Clutch!



Then I'll be popping on a PDR HX-40, with 4/5 inch exhaust.



Hmmm let's see. Big air filter, Big Turbo, Big Exhaust. Big fueling box, Big injectors, back to Big Turbo, Big Exhaust. I think it'll work. I believe that that combo will take me to my limits of pushing the Cummins. Yes it'll do so much more, but I want it to last 4 or 500k and have my DL to consider.



Oh yeah, Big Clutch--no tires

 

[KatDiesel]

Originally posted by 78repowerwagon

Yes it costs more but it makes more power

Are you sure about this statement?