FYI if you were thinking about getting an Airdog..do it now

[6 2 Carl]

Great find on the part number. Does anyone know what mircon rating that filter is? It would be great if it was the 2-3 micron filter.



Carl

 

[LightmanE300]

RASP is all I can say. The rasp and DTT trans are the next two items going in my truck. Forget about AirDork or FASS. :-laf

 

[DHayden]

RASP is all I can say. Forget about AirDork or FASS. :-laf

Wow very informative, another proven RASP customer. Can you divulge your years of experience with the system or are you merely wishful thinking like the rest of us? Hoping the money we spent will go a long way for us? Let's see some long term results! I haven't seen an infallible system yet.

 

[24V-DSL]

22K on my RASP, and no worries. Know another who has 30K on his.

 

[LightmanE300]

Wow very informative, another proven RASP customer. Can you divulge your years of experience with the system or are you merely wishful thinking like the rest of us? Hoping the money we spent will go a long way for us? Let's see some long term results! I haven't seen an infallible system yet.

Wow, your post was so informative and helpful as well All I can say is that both the FASS and AIRDOG as well as any other of the 'proven/long term' electric pumps make annoying noise that I am unwilling to live with. Maybe your hearing isn't good enough to notice, but they make a lot of noise. If you look at the design of the rasp, there isn't much to fail and they don't make noise. Dhayden are you the guy who didn't get a cell phone until everyone on the block had one and they were proven? . . :-laf My point is don't knock it because 1000 guys haven' tried it yet and run it for years... not everyone is afraid to try something new that has a lot of promise.

 

[6 2 Carl]

I sent fleetguard a email asking about the miron rating of their filters, looks like they are 10 microns absolute.

Quote:

I have a Fuel Preporator FF80 on my truck. It uses a FF5617 filter. Could

you tell me what the micron rating of this filter? If it is not a 2 or 3

micron filter, will you eventally make one available? Air Dog (the makers

of the FF80) have 10,5 and 3 micron filters for this unit.



Thanks,

Carl



Thank you for contacting Fleetguard



The micron information you requested is as follows:



The FF5617 is 98. 7% efficient at 10 microns. What is the percentage of

efficiency on the 2 micron filter. You must have the percentage to truly

say it is a 2 micron filter.



If we can be of further assistance to you, please feel free to

contact your Fleetguard Customer Assistance Center or send a

message to FleetMaster.



Please visit our homepage often at http://www.fleetguard.com



Sincerely,



Fleetguard FleetMaster

End Quote



I am assuming that air dog is quoting the absolute values with there filters, I will email them today and find out.



Carl

 

[HeavyHauler]

I'm afraid that us TDR boys are about to burn our bridges with AirDog. :-laf I don't think it was their intention that we find out the Fleetguard part number to their filter! Oh well, I'm gonna order a case of them today.

 

[Briman]

I'm interested to know if the FF5617 is what is really on the AirDog as shipped. If it is, than the three micron claim is not a valid one and we have a net gain of zero in our filtering ablility. Untill proven otherwise the pump and air removal is still what I expected. As far as the Rasp, It may be quiet and good at what is does but at a very complex price. More hose/fittings and electrical stuff than I care to deal with. We all make our choices. It seems to me that that if you do any off road at all, agriculture, fishing, etc. it wouldn't take much of a stick or shrub to throw the belt. I'm sure it would be seldom and the electric pump would take over but that's why they ship with two belts right.



Maybe Larry Crawford will chime in with filter info. I know he can't provide propriatary info (part numbers) but could at least confirm the existance of AirDogs genuine absolute ratings.

 

[Cummins Pilot]

I am in the market for one of these pump/filters. I guess Airdog is out. 1000 bucks, not a chance! They can go pound sand.

 

[DHayden]

Wow, your post was so informative and helpful as well

Thank you!

All I can say is that both the FASS and AIRDOG as well as any other of the 'proven/long term' electric pumps make annoying noise that I am unwilling to live with. Maybe your hearing isn't good enough to notice, but they make a lot of noise.

A 1/2 inch pickup line does wonder's for noise, are you saying your basing your decision off of some noise and not durability?

My point is don't knock it because 1000 guys haven' tried it yet and run it for years... not everyone is afraid to try something new that has a lot of promise.

I didnt knock it OR make fun of it, that's what you did and my main point was that you havent even installed it yet and have NO experience with it so it's a blind comment.

Dhayden are you the guy who didn't get a cell phone until everyone on the block had one and they were proven?

I have some of the latest electrical toys, some I accuired before other's but that does not mean I will pick up my pom pom's and rah so I can gain the cool kids acceptance



Ok enough of that, I was trying to point out initially that they arent all fool proof and that most people want to see some proof of what works and what doesnt instead of the influx of opinions of people who think it's cool but havent tried it. No more arguements here

 

[LightmanE300]

Dhayden, your original post to me was said in such a smug and cynical manner that I responded with sarcasm to make the point. It's not like you innocently pointed out the thing was untested, you quoted and mocked my supportive comments for the Rasp - part of which were clearly said in jest regarding the airdog... maybe a sense of humor is a foreign concept to ya tho.



I'm not interested in modifying any kit with different parts than what come with it, or anything described as 'doing wonders' for noise. I don't want reduced noise, I want no additional noise like the rasp provides. The rasp's potential durability and limited ability to fail are huge alluring factors for me.



If you have any reasonable arguments of why you think the rasp could be a problem, let's hear them - they would be useful.



As far as doing things for the cool kids' acceptance, I'm not sure how that really applies to this topic, or what you meant by it. . but it sounds like it's a concept you're more familiar with and you can enlighten us further. .

 

[DHayden]

Clearly what you say is in jest and what I say is synical and smug. Guess that's your choice of how you want to read them. That's just the problem of written words. I do appologize for activating your sensativity (my wife says im not very sensative also)



To try to get the point across again, I did not bad mouth or negatively respond to the RASP, it can be perfectly viable. I am just wondering why you make a braisen statement about a system you don't even have and hasn't proved itself beyond any other system? If you have more info it would be greatly appreciated. We all want to learn, I just felt "empty" in the facts behind your statement.



As I said, FASS was better than sliced bread but now some minor problem's are comming out. This is not saying FASS is not a good system. I am not advocating or pushing Airdog either, I'm sure its great system also but I wouldnt be telling people to install it and forget it especially if I didnt even have one.



The Airdog I got came with a 1/2 inch pick up tube so your comment of changing the package to make it work is a mute point also.



This thread is not a personal banter forum, if you have more problems with what I said, feel free to pm me. I will not do so in this thread.

 

[LightmanE300]

All I said is rasp all the way. . It reflect my personal choice based on the information given. If you feel the need to have it proven to you before endorsing the choice , so be it. I feel the rasp is the best system out and I will continue to say so. . It's going on my truck eventually without question. I feel it's the best system out and that's all I'm saying.



I think you're trying to say moot point, not mute. Either way I dont care what fittings come with the airdog, it makes noise I don't want it - period. Also I feel the airdog is a joke, which is why I called it airdork. Both fass and airdog sell the concept of air separation, which I feel is completely a marketing phenomenon. Basically to me they are a pusher pump with an overglorified/marketed water separator. Fass finally realized we were getting smart to their nonsense and started offering just the pusher pump only. I can' t see a single advantage of fass or airdog over rasp, other than having an additional filter(assuming you plumb thru the stock filter and still use it).



Dhayden your apology is a thinly veiled insult, and it's clear for anyone to see, so I'm not sure why you said it. You apologize for 'my sensativity(sp), and not for your smug or cynical comments. Whatever you say bro, those with just adequate reading comprehension can read thru the lines here... lol . . Whatever... just know that you've started all this unnecessary antagonism for nothing, all because I endorsed the rasp and said airdork I hope it was worth it buddy

 

[HeavyHauler]

Also I feel the airdog is a joke, which is why I called it airdork. Both fass and airdog sell the concept of air separation, which I feel is completely a marketing phenomenon. Basically to me they are a pusher pump with an overglorified/marketed water separator.

Lightman you need to "lighten up" and stop projecting everything you've said or implied on someone else. I've bit my tongue through every bit of this and frankly, DHayden has a perfectly legitimate point about you knowing nothing about the RASP system. All you know is what youv'e heard - nothing more.



As far the concept of air separation, there has to be something to it when thousands of trucks are spec'd with it from the factory and the fact that the 135A has been a popular add-on and OEM option for years on big trucks. Folks like you get here on the TDR and think they know everything because they've got a few perfomance upgrades on their pickup but in fact, you know nothing about what's been going on with diesel performance and upgrades for the past 10-15 years. It's clearly not a marketing phenomenon when the vast majority of big trucks have the system or the equivalent on them. It's also a major OEM item on farm tractors - now are you ready to admit that you don't know what you're talking about?



Now for your insults on DHayden, YOU are the one that started every bit of this by your response to the topic. We were just commenting in another thread how several people were commenting how great a RASP was when they didn't even have one installed. Then here you come - CASE IN POINT!



In the end, we are all entitled to our opinions here which is what you were told by the person that you are hellbent on making look like an idiot on here. You've stated yours, he's stated his, and I've stated mine - now drop it.

 

[Hohn]

OK-- back on topic.



This news confirms a suspicion I had. I remember when the FASS/Preporator threads were getting all hot and bothered.



Brad revealed a little about the trouble he has had with Charles Ekstam. IIRC, come of his griped where multiple failed marriages, a company that has changed hands multiple times, etc. All pointed towards a man that was, shall we say, unstable??



Now this happens with the AirDog-- a sale of the company, and hanging out to dry a legion of customers. Was Brad right? Were we suckers to trust Preporator/Ekstam? Is he just out to make a buck, selling his company when he can turn a quick buck?



I don't know the man,and all this is conjecture. But the events DO make my mind wander... ... what if... ...





jlh

 

[GIT-R-DONE]

Time will tell..... Kinda makes me wonder though...

 

[DHayden]

Maybe he just had enough of the whole thing, this has driven a wedge between he and his son that will not disappear to easily. I know he's an older man, I have talked with him extensively when airdog first came out. He didn't seem unstable and he was very knowledgable in his product.



That's not to say you are wrong as nothing is suprising anymore. I just think If I was in that situation and could make a buck and have some kind of piece I'd probably take it.

 

[LightmanE300]

Heavyhauler , Dhayden and I have said our pieces I believe. . but thanks for your enlightening insight How do you think I 'know nothing' about the RASP? What more do you think someone knows from having one installed other than confirming what everyone else has said? Sure I have no direct experience using it, but from everthing I've heard and read, it's looking like the best option out there to me. As you said, we all have our opinions and I feel the Rasp is the best option out there. If you guys want to fly on your air separation float and try to discredit anything anyone says about the rasp unless they own one, go for it - you're entitled.



I still maintain that the airdog/fass air/water separator is a total joke. I'd love to see dyno results where air separation was the variable - since they claim added horsepower and efficiency. The guys from airdog have also told me that the water separator will not stop water smaller than 115ppm, when typically water levels are below that. That says the water separator is only theoretically worthwhile when there are large slugs of free water over 115ppm, that have fallen out of suspension. If the water's that big, the stock separator will catch it. The proof is in the pudding when fass got smart and released their pump by itself.

 

[PHeadings]

If anyone is still interested in the AirDog there new web address is: http://www.pureflowtechnologies.com/products.htm



and the price has droped below 1000. 00 dollars.

 

[HeavyHauler]

I'll put in a good word for the new folks at Pure Flow. I just installed my AirDog that I've had since January and got a bad pump. Pure Flow got me a new pump under warranty right away. The new one is working great and I'm very happy with the customer service. Kenny is the new light-truck tech and is very helpful and knowledgable.