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Gas vs. Diesel Prices....diesel is cheaper????

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There have sure been a lot of threads about the high cost of diesel vs. gasoline... . sure is a killer.



However, for our CTD is is not as bad as it might seem... . IMHO



Figuring on 1,000 miles with gas at 2. 39 and diesel at 3. 09 (St Louis prices today)...



A coworker has a Ford f350 V10 that gets 13 mpg empty back and forth to work... my CTD gets right at 18 mpg... . using these numbers...



1000 miles @ 13 mpg (gas) = 76. 92 gallons X 2. 39 = 183. 84



1000 miles @ 18 mpg (diesel) = 55. 55 gallons x 3. 09 = 171. 66



Towing a 10K rv I get 11-12 mpg... . he get 6-8 with the V10... .



I only noted this because I have read a few threads where folks are screaming that it is time to sell the diesel and by a gas truck... . might not be the best idea, especially with the loss in pulling power... .



Works for me!! Oo.
 
Yep! There was a time when I could get almost even running the Ram against the Stratus that gets 28-30 on gas. Factor in that you can get more diesel out of a barrel of most crudes than gas, and we were far less demanding on the crude supply, even though our trucks weigh close to twice what most cars do. As far as the demands our diesels place on the crude supply, nothing's changed. But, given the political sensitivity to gas prices, they're cracking more diesel to make gas (read "increasing the production of of gas while simultaneously increasing the cost of producing it") to hold down the price (Ahhh! Supply vs. demand--I knew it would kick in here somewhere!). It wouldn't surprise me if they were adding the cost of cracking the diesel and other heavier distillates to the price of diesel to keep the gas burners from yelping.



It's a shame the number or proportion of indy truckers has declined the way it has in favor of the mega trucking companies. I remember the truckers' strikes of past years when diesel prices got out of hand. They were pretty effective -- Bringing commerce to a halt was as/more effective as/than the political sensitivity to gasoline prices. There aren't enough O/Os left to have that kind of impact. The big companies have the clout that the O/Os didn't to be able to pass the increased fuel costs along to the shippers.
 
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You are politically correct to an extent! But here are my local fuel prices and I will compare my Cummins to my V-10.



Diesel is 3. 32/9

Gas is 2. 21/9



I will only compare towing mpg



1000 miles at 9 mpg (gas)= 111. 11 gallons x 2. 21/9 =$246. 66



1000 miles at 13 mpg (diesel)= 76. 92 gallons x 3. 32/9 =$256. 15



Both trucks are Dodge 4x4 5 speeds with 3:54 gears and 285 tires. It not only costs me more to drive the diesel but I would rather rack up miles on a basically worthless market value truck than on my Cummins.



Just my . 02 worth!
 
I don't understand the market worth idea regarding your gasser... are you saying that because it has a V10 that it has no value compared to the diesel? I would have thought that it would be worth the same, less the extra cost of the diesel engine... . very interesting... . :confused:
 
Why are prices so high?

Why Are Diesel Prices So High?



Even as retail gasoline prices have fallen below pre-hurricane levels, retail diesel fuel prices remain much higher. Whereas retail diesel prices averaged 2 cents per gallon below gasoline on August 29, before the impacts of Hurricanes Katrina and Rita were felt at the pump, as of October 24, they averaged more than 55 cents per gallon higher across the United States (see graph below). What has changed between the two markets that might help explain the divergence in retail prices?







While the price of crude oil certainly has an impact on the price of refined products, the actual cost of refining crude oil into various products has little to do with price differentials across products. When comparing the retail price of one particular product to another, it is important to look at the supply/demand situation for both products. In the case of gasoline, over the last four weeks, a record volume of imports arrived in three of those weeks, while gasoline production climbed to near pre-hurricane levels, despite significant refinery capacity remaining shut down.



This large surge in supply is coming at a time (late September and early October) when gasoline demand usually drops, with few people taking vacations during this time of year. When supplies rise as demand falls, prices should fall, as they have with gasoline.



However, the supply/demand balance is much different for diesel fuel. Diesel fuel and heating oil are both included in a category labeled distillate fuel in our weekly surveys. These products are very similar, with the notable exception that diesel fuel for highway use has less sulfur in it. To the extent that diesel fuel can be used as a substitute for heating oil, the two products often find their prices moving in similar directions. Since heating oil prices are generally highest when demand for the product peaks, diesel prices also often peak as cold weather occurs, as owners of diesel-fuel-powered vehicles will tell you. As can be seen from EIA’s data, demand for distillate fuel often increases from September to October. This is typically a result of slightly colder weather in October, but it also relates to increased use of diesel fuel in the agriculture sector during harvest time. While demand for distillate fuel seasonally increases over this period, supplies have grown substantially less than those of gasoline.



While distillate fuel production has increased some as a result of most refineries coming returning to normal operating levels following the hurricanes, it has not grown by nearly as much as gasoline production. We have not seen record imports for distillate fuel either. In fact, up until last week (the week ending October 21), distillate fuel imports were possibly even lower than they typically would be, as strong global demand for diesel may have limited available supplies from other countries. As a result, retail prices for both diesel fuel and heating oil have not dropped like those for gasoline. Nevertheless, with distillate fuel imports last week reaching their highest level since January 2005, and with most of the increase in refinery production seen in distillate fuel rather than gasoline, there may be signs that the distillate fuel supply situation is improving.



But with the first bout of much colder-than-normal weather hitting the East Coast this week (where most of the heating oil use occurs), demand is likely to increase as well. How fast supply and demand for distillate fuel rise will be the largest determinant for the future path of diesel fuel prices.





Official Energy Statistics from the U. S. Government

http://www.eia.doe.gov
 
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Buying or selling a $40,000 vehicle based on fuel prices over a few weeks is a stupid idea IMHO. These trucks are long time investments, and it can be just as foolish to sell one based on emotion at the time as it is to buy one for the same reason. I've been through this whole energy crisis back in the 70's and leared a lot since then. I do believe that the current price difference between gas and diesel is short term and will fix itself.
 
Sure, But here in Minnesota, Diesel I'm sure at my next fuell up will be near 3. 55/gallon and Gas I have saw at 2. 19.



Math:



1000 miles @ 13 mpg (gas) = 76. 92 gallons X 2. 19 = $168. 45



1000 miles @ 18 mpg (diesel) = 55. 55 gallons x 3. 55 = 197. 20

1000 miles @ 18 mpg (diesel) = 55. 55 gallons x 3. 29 = 182. 59 (my previous fill up)



I get about 18-ish city/highway... typicaly.
 
I don't understand the market worth idea regarding your gasser... are you saying that because it has a V10 that it has no value compared to the diesel? I would have thought that it would be worth the same, less the extra cost of the diesel engine... . very interesting... .



I tried to trade my V-10 in on a diesel that had the exact same options and features and had between 40-50k more miles on them and 3 out of 3 dealers all wanted around 15,000 to trade. I'm sure glad I didn't write the check now that the V-10 is saving me piles in fuel costs and you know as well as me the diesel engine isn't worth no 15 grand more even with me having wayyyyy less miles. I can buy the diesel trucks like they had for 15 grand so basically they were telling me my V-10 is worth nothing. I'll keep it around for a backup for real cold winter days and when it is cheaper to drive than my diesels.



Chris
 
My office partner was complaining a few months ago when diesel was about $. 22 a gallon cheaper than gas in St Louis... . he even thought about trading his gasser for a diesel... . no he smiles and tells me how much I am spending on fuel (I ALREADY know that!!).



The point is, I expect that the pendulum will swing back and forth as markets change...



The refineries are gearing up for heating oil, jet fuel, and converting diesel for the winter blend... . once this all settles down, I think my office partner will be again thinking about buying a diesel bcause the fuel is cheaper (at least I hope so!!!!!) Oo.
 
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