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Boost Drops to Zero

Why would truck run hotter???

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Ok. Dropped the transmission and pulled the clutch. The flywheel was still in great condition, so we didn't touch it. The pilot bearing was bad as it was very tight and causing dragging when the pedal was completely depressed. This was causing the hard to get into 1st and reverse condition. The throwout bearing was still together but beginning to dry out. The surface of the pressure and clutch plates looked good and I could probably have gone back with them. No warping or signs of slipping since I do not ride the clutch or slip it when towing. I chose instead to go ahead and put a new complete Luk clutch in it because the fingers on the old pressure plate were showing wear. They were not wore out, but I knew that I would be back in before too long to do the expensive pieces of the clutch if I did not do it while we were in there.

The Luk clutch is a lot less pressure on the pedal than the SBC 1947-O that it replaced. Engagement is very smooth and easy. The SBC was getting VERY stiff and I am glad I went back with the Luk instead of another SBC. I got 214k miles on the original clutch and just 131k on the SBC, so I was a little disappointed in the life of the clutch. To prove the point even further, my '99 is still running around with the original clutch with 300k miles on it and it towed the same loads just as often for the first 200k miles of its life with me. I know clutches are wear items, but the driving habits and towing regularity did not change from the original clutch through the life of the SBC. Also, the Luk was about $500 less than the cost of going back with another SBC. I don't have added power and won't be adding any as I can tow what I need very well, so I did not need the heavier SBC anyway.

I will say on SBC 1947-O, from my experience, it is a significantly stronger pressure plate. I would recommend the upgraded hydraulics with this clutch. The upgraded hydraulics would probably handle the stronger pressure plate a lot better and the pedal pressure I would hope would be closer to stock. I asked SBC when I bought the clutch if I should upgraded the hydraulics and they said I did not need to so I chose to stay with the original hydraulics, but looking back, I should have spent the money and upgraded the hydraulics to see if it would have helped with the required pressure to depress the pedal.

I am getting older and getting tired of shifting all the time. From what I hear and see on the Aisin, it is a towing beast and my next truck 2013+ with be an Aisin with 3.73s if I can find the 3.73s. I don't tow enough for 4.10s, but the 3.42s are unacceptable. I know the 3.73s will work fine for me as that is what I have now with the NV5600 and I have no need for the 4.10s now.

I will close with this. The SBC is a good clutch and I am certainly not bad-mouthing them. They are excellent people to work with and were very helpful and courteous every time I called them. They never left me disappointed or wondering. They know their stuff. I would still recommend them and use them.

Sorry, no pics. In too big of a hurry to get the truck back on the road. It works for a living.
 
FYI, if you use an SBC kit, a lot of times they come with pressure plate bolts, don't use them, use your oem bolts.

Nick

Nick care to elaborate??

Got transmission out and pilot was cause of the issues. Clutch disc is in VERY nice condition and cannot feel or see any wear on pressure plate or flywheel.
Diaphragm fingers are worn somewhat. Release bearing very dry and overdue.

Will be replacing with SBC flywheel with upgraded bearing . 1947 OK kit will be going in. Have to replace rear main as it is just starting to weep a little.

Found the rear crossmember t/case mount separated and will be replacing that as well. New OEM hydraulics as well a pm.
Hope to have all buttoned up in a couple of days.

Will post up my impressions.......hoping it does not feel too much heavier and fully expecting to get at least the same service life of components as the first go round.
 
The Luk clutch is a lot less pressure on the pedal

This is a common observation and not incorrect but deserves a look behind the curtain.

First, friction.

The old as you stated dried out bearing wasn't sliding (nothing to do with rotation) as freely on the guide tube as is used to, friction. Coupled with the now non-existant grease on the fork to bearing collar contact points, more friction.

The release system needed a cleanup and greaseup, friction reduced equals reduced pedal effort.

Now for the huh comment.

New disc thickness release load at the spring tips vs. worn disc thickness release load at the spring tips with the exact same pressure plate.

The thinner worn disc will cause an increased release load at the spring tips vs. a full thickness disc. This is not brand dependent but this comment does not apply to Self Adjusting Clutch designs, like the OEM G56 SAC system.

So the all too common observation of a softer pedal after a new clutch installation is correct but has a source, friction and a change in disc thickness. Need to see if the clutch holds? Find a nice grade, hit it in 5th for a 6 speed build a touch of boost then light 'er off. RPM and MPH increase in syncronization w/o any RPM spike? Nicely done.

Its a bit like looking at your high school yearbook picture.
 
Ok just a final update.

Got everything buttoned back up and all the little things looked after properly that you tend to do if your working on your own stuff .
All went well, even pulling back the transmission a second time after smoothly sinking it right to the bellhousing without any undue force(telling you clutch alignment and pilot alignment are about perfect) to install the spring clip(that was staring at us in the bellhousing bolt tray) that holds the clutch fork to the pivot ball .....grrrrrrrrrr. Any how, everyone who's turned wrenches a while has to admit to a doh!! on occasion:rolleyes:

Now to the initial observations.

The SBC 1947OK kit. This is a slightly heavier /stronger than stock clutch but is there closest approximation to stock.

Everything included and seemed decent quality components.

Noticed immediately that pedal pressure is a little heavier than stock.(note everything was greased/ cleaned etc as proper)
Clutch engagement is nice and smooth and trans shifts seemingly a little smoother than before (maybe in my head), probably due to good HD pilot bearing now in place.
Added pedal pressure is noticeable and mostly a non issue but may a bigger issue if you do a lot of stop and go city (which I almost never do).
Truck now has 358000km (222000 miles)and 4550hrs. Hoping to not revisit this issue for a long time to come.
 
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