Engine/Transmission (1998.5 - 2002) Glacier Diesel Power VS FASS

[Moose Truck]

My stock style lift pump is dying (Again! ) This would be the third one. So, I am not doing the Carter Pump again, for the fact is buying yet another one would bring the cost almost over what a FASS pump would cost. I am picking up on some issues are building with the FASS setup (Brushes, Support and/or Heating. )



I need to know what the TDR gus think of the Glacier Diesel Power's Walbro system:



http://www.glacierdieselpower.com/product.asp?pf_id=3929852



VS the FASS pump. I am not wanting to start a Flaming war #@$%! :-{} over this, I am looking for a cool level-headed comparison of the systems strong and weak points. TIA, Moose00

 

[Warpig]

Moose, I figure I'd reply to your post since you replied to mine. I've had a FASS for over 3 years. The new FASS motor has internal brushes that don't need servicing. I have not had any cold weather issues either.



Tim W.

 

[Joe Mc]

Moose - I have no comparrison between the FASS & GDP systems. All I can say is I too had replaced enough Carters to go FASS or GDP. GDP came up in a post here - I checked it out because it was different and smaller than FASS systems. I called Rich, thought about it for a few days and went for the GDP GSF-392 system & the 2 micron spin on filter - schaweet! 18psi @ idle and 16psi WOT @ 5-5. Finally!!!

Do your homework then it's up to you.

 

[nabowers]

i put a FASS w/filters on my truck about 2 months ago and am very pleased. i never had any problems with my stock LP, but i didn't want to either. i did my research and liked the FASS system. does the GDP come with a filter system like FASS? that was a selling point to me along with the big fuel lines in the kit. i know 2 months aint to much of a trial, but thougt i would reply with what my expiriance with the FASS.



hey warpig, how is the HR VP44 and smarty together? i am interested in a HR VP44, just don't know anyone runnin them around my area. is it awesome?



nathan

 

[blacksheepdiesel]

AirDog over FASS

Moose,



May I suggest you consider the AirDog over the FASS? I have sold and installed FASS and AirDog's. The quality of design and construction is striking. My own personal AirDog has 120,000+ miles on it with nary an issue, zip, zero, nada.





Trent

 

[Warpig]

nabowers, I don't want to hijack Moose's thread so I'll answer your question this way: SMARTY by itself is nice. SMARTY with a HR VP44 is reeeeeeeeel nice! The HR VP44 by itself with smarty on stock setting is very impressive. I dunno what II does to the pump but it adds quite a bit of power by itself. Of course the FASS pump keeps my HR injection pump very happy



The Glacier Diesel Power's Walbro system looks good after reading up on their site, but this is the first I've heard of them.



Tim W.

 

[Joe Mc]

Tim - Glad you took some time and looked at the GDP site. I am usually very skeptical about things that I've "never heard of before" too. I've been waiting to do something other than what I did before the GDP system - move stock LP & Filter to frame. Then when the LP started it's decline . . . I happened to come accross a post on the products and accessories forum. It was timing and need to support what appeared to be a good product being put together by one of us for the rest of us, so to me it was worth looking into. I looked into it, PMed one of the new customers, spoke with Rich (the owner and sole employee - gotta love it!), thought about it a few days - looked at other products. When I called Rich back and asked more questions he worked with me to design a system for my present and future needs. I ended up with the GFS-392 system, 2 micron filter kit and the big line kit for the cost of the 392 & 2 micron.

 

[jwilliams3]

I will just say that you will probably get better customer service from Glacier Diesel Power.

 

[Joe Mc]

I will just say that you will probably get better customer service from Glacier Diesel Power.

Not to disrespect a product I have no experience with, other than that most of it's owners are pleased. But, one of the things I found when doing my homework before the GDP purchase was that some folks were a bit displeased with FASS's customer service. To me customer service goes a long, long way.

jwilliams3 just checked out your pulling clip, saw it some time ago too, SCHA-WEET!!! Nice truck too - man based on your signature you modded the living b-jimminies out of it $$$$:--)

 

[jwilliams3]

Yeah Joe, its a money pit :-laf

thanks for the kind words.



Back to the subject:



If I had it to do over I would probably still buy the FASS :-laf

 

[steved]

I have the new style FASS w/filters (new motor with the redesigned brushes)... I have over 30k on it without a problem, including a Pennsylvania winter with a good dose of roadsalt.



As far as the brushes... doesn't appear to be an issue anymore (on the new units).



As for the heating... so it runs hot (never checked mine, don't really care if it does)... If it was designed to run hot, it isn't an issue... I would have figured if heat was an issue then 110* ambient + Whatever the motor runs above ambient would have shown me that weakness last week in Texas.



Customer service... well, maybe, but Diesel_Dan is trying to make/has made that better. If you buy the FASS from a dealer, the dealer is supposed to be your "support" and customer service... I have only talked to my dealer and Diesel_Dan, never contacted DPP directly.



The only real complaint I have seen is about noise... people think they are noisey... again, the truck makes a ton more noise than the FASS, so I don't really care... it puts a steady clean supply of fuel to the IP, I can live with a little noise to have that...



steved

 

[480RUGER]

I have to agree with SteveD,

I just got back from IRP and only had the pump on two weeks before we went. I talked to Dan at IRP and if you send your warranty card in you shouldn’t have any trouble with customer support/service.



I do like the FASS kit. From what I’ve seen so far it does what it says and I will admit I can hear it with the window down at idle and it feels good to know it is working compared to the several Carter pusher and lift pumps I had in the past.



I don’t know anything about the GDP setup. I’m sure it’s just as good. I just know FASS has been around and I wish I had picked one up years ago. Good Luck Moose00.

 

[lsenus]

Just talked with the Cummins shop. Dead VP and lift. The funny thing is, I neaver saw presures less than 10 at WOT at any time since I put this lift pump in 30K ago. Cummins said that even though there were good presures, the volume wasn't there.



What is the recomended flow rate that the VP likes to see? 90 gallons per hour? 150 GPH? More?



Maybe it's time to go to Home Depot and get a basement sump pump and put that in the tank! :-laf

 

[steved]

Just talked with the Cummins shop. Dead VP and lift. The funny thing is, I neaver saw presures less than 10 at WOT at any time since I put this lift pump in 30K ago. Cummins said that even though there were good presures, the volume wasn't there.



What is the recomended flow rate that the VP likes to see? 90 gallons per hour? 150 GPH? More?



Maybe it's time to go to Home Depot and get a basement sump pump and put that in the tank! :-laf

Depending on where you pull the reading from, your could have 10psi all the time, but nothing on the downstream side of the (plugged) filter.



This is one major advantage ALL the aftermarket kits have over the OEM setup/replacements... replacement of all the "restrictions" in the factlry fuel system.



steved

 

[LowFly]

I’m jealous Steve! You got to go to Texas and I didnt! Couldn’t make it home for the 4th this year... o well... .



Apples to apples... . the HPFP and GDP kit is a better comparison.



As far as support, if you can post on here (And other diesel sites), you will have my attention. If a dealer tells you that they can't answer your question, you tell them to call me.



Brush issues are a thing of the past with these new motors.

 

[lsenus]

Depending on where you pull the reading from, your could have 10psi all the time, but nothing on the downstream side of the (plugged) filter.



This is one major advantage ALL the aftermarket kits have over the OEM setup/replacements... replacement of all the "restrictions" in the factlry fuel system.



steved

I posted this in the wrong post... oops. Anyway, I measure post filter. As for the restriction issue, does just putting a larger supply line provide the cure, or should the return line also be replaced? Is the flow determined by the size of the supply or the return line? i. e. a firehose supplying a hypodermic needle?

 

[steved]

I posted this in the wrong post... oops. Anyway, I measure post filter. As for the restriction issue, does just putting a larger supply line provide the cure, or should the return line also be replaced? Is the flow determined by the size of the supply or the return line? i. e. a firehose supplying a hypodermic needle?

IIRC, the return line is only used by the VP44 and only when it overpressures (14psi and up)... if it is starved (and hence not lubricated) there is very little return from the VP44.



I think the main thing is making sure the VP44 has sufficient fuel (and correct pressure) as you found... the factory setup uses a bunch of tight bends, banjo bolts, and smallish diameter tubing. A setup like the FASS provides a 3/8" line from the pump to the VP44... the restriction with the FASS setup can be either with the intank module (doubtful or we would be seeing a lot of people with major pressure drops at WOT), the fittings on the FASS (still larger openings than the factory lines), or the VP44 itself.



If you were getting 10psi downstream of the filter, I really don't see how you would have been short volume. Was this 10psi all the time or just idle? did they troubleshoot to see why you had 10psi and not enough volume at the VP44? Is there a faulty Banjo somewhere downstream of the guage?



steved

 

[oilrunner]

You can't go wrong with GDP 392 Walbro Fuel pump.



Its fuel cooled and you will never have any worries with the brushes (unlike fass), alot less dollars to purchase, no worries, PERIOD!

I used the factory stainless line and hard plumbed the pump and "T" so everything on the pressure side is through stainless lines.



The only flex line in the pressure side is from the front frame rail to the engine, you need to allow some flex in this area due to engine movement.



Richard has awesome customer service! He is a great guy to due business with. He priced everything as a kit and then separately to ensure I paid the least amount for the items needed.



Following his suggestion, I purchased a "T" locally and installed it in the vent line of my fuel tank, instead of the typical installtion where its installed in the fuel filler line. Works great and you can purchase his performance kit to adjust your fuel pressure by adding or subtracting shims/spring in the relief valve to dial in your fuel pressure.



... ... . This is the quietest running pump on the market... ... ...



Bottom line, his kits and customer servcie are top notch... ... . :-laf



Good luck,



Trevis

 

[steved]

Its fuel cooled, unlike the fass... no brushes... no worries...



Good luck,



Trevis

If the motor is spec'd right, it doesn't need to be cooled... I wish people would get this point through their head...



Very few DC motors don't have brushes... and they are sorta special when they are brushless... I would want to double check that as I have not heard of too many "cheap" brushless DC motors...



And as with the FASS (and any of the electrical pumps), there is always the potential for failure... and it doesn't stop with the electrics either... they all have their downsides... the glaicier kit needs more time on the market to see how it will be over the long run... it has only been out for a couple months now...



I hope there are some more alternatives to the OEM pump that prove themselves... we need choices.



steved

 

[Moose Truck]

Good Bye Mr. carter!

Ok, Good Input. I just finished installing my GDP 392 Walbro kit last night (08/08/06) It's awesome, 16 PSI @ Idle I can't pull it down past 13 PSI @ WOT My truck is almost stock with just a Van Aaken box. Mr. Carter I could pull down to 10 psi no sweat. I am Very happy with the GPD Kit, and Rich's customer service, He answers his business phone on Sunday Afternoon



If this system lasts, It would be just about perfect. I am glad I got it Oo. :-laf Moose00 Oo.