GM scrapping the D-Max?

[QWaller]

I just heard yesterday second hand (one ear over) from a GM rep (who was driving an 06. 5 D-max R&D vehicle) that GM was scrapping the Isuzu engine to make thier own. I said no way, makes no sense UNLESS they were having trouble with the 07 emission change. Still think it must be misinformation or misunderstanding. Anyone heard about this?

 

[TFucili]

What a laugh...

Capitalizing on all of their prior success building quality diesels, I imagine they will make a diesel from the Cadillac Northstar



I firmly believe that Gimmick Motors is the main reason that diesel automobiles never gained a foothold in the US

 

[Rman]

GM will forever be remembered for that awful diesel engine... I wouldn't change anything if I were them.

 

[DennyDay]

Why in h-ll would GM do that? Why - - because it works!



Denny

 

[dodge cummins]

thats bogus. gm is now making a higher output d-max for next year. it will be just shy of 700lbs of torque. you can read about it on the diesel stop. it will continue to be made by isuzu

 

[Steve St.Laurent]

Actually the dmax has never been manufactured by Isuzu. Isuzu designed it but it is manufactured by DMAX Ltd in Morraine, oh. DMAX Ltd is a joint venture between GM and Isuzu and Isuzu owns 60% of it. GM owns 37% of Isuzu BTW. Those numbers were back in 98 so they may have changed since then.



http://waw.wardsauto.com/ar/auto_dmax_natural_step



Just found this additional article in 2002: http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2002/10/25/149521.html . Looks likes GM now owns 60% of DMAX Ltd.

 

[HBarlow]

Capitalizing on all of their prior success building quality diesels, I imagine they will make a diesel from the Cadillac Northstar



I firmly believe that Gimmick Motors is the main reason that diesel automobiles never gained a foothold in the US

Nobody but a blind and deaf Chevy owner could disagree with you.



Harvey

 

[hasselbach]

Nobody but a blind and deaf Chevy owner could disagree with you.



Harvey

Its better to try and fail then never to try at all.



So what? GM tried to retrofit an Oldsmobile block for diesel usage and it failed. I'm sure they learned a lot in the process.



Some of you are so quick to point fault at someone's attempt to try something new when the results are dismal. At least GM had the balls to step out of the box and do it a bit different than everyone else.

 

[klenger]

Don't forget, Ford owns Cummins. :-laf

 

[Jaysyl]

Don't forget, Ford owns Cummins. :-laf

I had not heard that. Is that something new?

 

[Amish Elegance]

Its better to try and fail then never to try at all.



So what? GM tried to retrofit an Oldsmobile block for diesel usage and it failed. I'm sure they learned a lot in the process.



Some of you are so quick to point fault at someone's attempt to try something new when the results are dismal. At least GM had the balls to step out of the box and do it a bit different than everyone else.

Step out of the box with an R&D program. Not with customers $ and rides. Back in the day my aunt and uncle had one of those POC motors, in the shop all the time. Junk.

 

[JApol]

DMAX Ltd is a joint venture between GM and Isuzu and Isuzu owns 60% of it. GM owns 37% of Isuzu BTW.

Who owns the rest? Ferd? Cummings? Cummins?

 

[Rebel Ram]

Seems some urban legends just wont die. Ford does NOT own Cummins. Do some research and you might end up asking your self if Cummins owns Ford?

 

[TJSHOTROD]

Relax Rebel he was kidding see the smile at the end.

 

[jwduke]

Its better to try and fail then never to try at all.



So what? GM tried to retrofit an Oldsmobile block for diesel usage and it failed. I'm sure they learned a lot in the process.



Some of you are so quick to point fault at someone's attempt to try something new when the results are dismal. At least GM had the balls to step out of the box and do it a bit different than everyone else.

It was a REALLY BAD idea, that GM had with the 5. 7 diesel ! It left a very bad taste in a LOT of peoples mouths!



And if you ever get started talking about diesel engines in cars with people, do you know what usually comes up? That POS diesel GM put in Buicks, Cadillacs, Chevrolets, Oldsmobiles, Pontiacs, Chevy & GMC trucks... ... ...



GM didn't have the balls to step "out of the box", they did NOTHING for any one who owned them, except HUGE repair bills!



I KNOW, because I OWNED ONE!

 

[fox]

Its better to try and fail then never to try at all.



So what? GM tried to retrofit an Oldsmobile block for diesel usage and it failed. I'm sure they learned a lot in the process.



Some of you are so quick to point fault at someone's attempt to try something new when the results are dismal. At least GM had the balls to step out of the box and do it a bit different than everyone else.

GM single handedly set diesels in the U. S. back by 25 years.

Then had the gall to let the dealers tell customers that their gas motors were better and got the same MPG.

Yes, I ownd a couple and family did to, JUNK.

My olds 5. 7 kept breaking number 7 compression rings. Crankshafts were a common breakage too.

The third time it was opened we could see with just our eyes, how far out of place that hole was. We still laugh about it. The bore leaned down and rearward by about . 040.



QUALITY!!!!

If GM starts building them again, it will only be to try to improve sales by getting trade ins!

 

[bmoeller]

So what? GM tried to retrofit an Oldsmobile block for diesel usage and it failed. I'm sure they learned a lot in the process.

They had a 4. 3L V-6 diesel also. There were in the Pontiac 6000, Chevy Celebrities for sure. Couldn't pay me enough to work on one again.



Both the cast and aluminum heads had serious cracking problems between the valves.

 

[Cummins Cowboy]

what are you guys talking about, it wasn't just the motors, the whole cars sucked in that era

 

[TFucili]

Waaaaaaaaaaay outside the box...

Its better to try and fail then never to try at all.



So what? GM tried to retrofit an Oldsmobile block for diesel usage and it failed. I'm sure they learned a lot in the process.



Some of you are so quick to point fault at someone's attempt to try something new when the results are dismal. At least GM had the balls to step out of the box and do it a bit different than everyone else.

Sorry, rushing some half-baked idea to market because of fad marketing is not thinking outside the box. Trying it as an engineering mule and learning that it doesn't work would have been to their credit. Dumping that POS on the unsuspecting public was darn near criminal, and they deserve every last bit of the negative legacy it created. Too bad ALL light diesel manufacturers had to pay the price.

 

[SGibson]

A 3-71 retrofit w/a lifetime supply of engine diapers would have been more cost effective than warrenty work, I wonder how many engineers worked on corvair,vega,X-car and 5. 7 diesel conseculativly? It would be a hell of a resume.