Go Indiana!

[nps]

Arrested for burning the flag.



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[NVR FNSH]

As much as I disagree with burning the flag the Supreme Court has ruled that it is free speech. It will be interesting to see how this one plays out. My guess is the prosecutor will be running for elected office in the near futrue... . It smells like a publicity stunt to me.



Brian

 

[DarrellB]

I live in Indiana and I have a tall tree in the yard and a long rope in the pole barn. You guys can add all that up and see what you get.



Big D

 

[Fireman Dave]

Well, if nothing else, at least this yahoo will be inconvenienced for awhile. Like Archie Bunker used to say: "America - love it or LEAVE IT!" All these morons should just pack it up and get the hell out.

 

[nps]

Yes, but -

The Supreme Court has been known to reverse itself. Also got to figure the citizen that reported the incident, the dispatcher that sent the police, the police that responded, and the magistrate that set bond all have nothing to gain politically. So unless it was a pre-planned conspiracy, I can give the prosecutor the benefit of the doubt. Will most definitely be interesting to see where it goes.



Darrell, after he gets a fair and impartial trial I'm guessing that you are ready to give the guilty ba$+@rd a speedy hangin'.



Neil

 

[jthorpe]

Originally posted by nps

Arrested for burning the flag.



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What to you is good about this? Judging by your glee that this guy was arrested, it appears that you're for laws that violoate the constitution. I thought you were all for freedom and here you are contradicting yourself again. I guess you are only for the freedoms that YOU like, but screw everyone else eh?



The guy is a scumbag for burning the flag, but that should be his right and it's protected by the contsitution, and the Supreme Court has reaffirmed that it's a persons' right to do so.



I seriously doubt this thing will be prosecuted.



Jack

 

[jthorpe]

Originally posted by Fireman Dave

Well, if nothing else, at least this yahoo will be inconvenienced for awhile. Like Archie Bunker used to say: "America - love it or LEAVE IT!" All these morons should just pack it up and get the hell out.

Yeah, screw our freedoms. Screw the constitution. Screw Liberty, all because you're offended that he burned the flag. I hate the guy just as much as you for doing what he did. But I'm also smart enough to figure out that by arresting this guy, those people in Indiana are actually supporting REMOVAL of more and more freedom. If you don't like freedom and the Constitution, then YOU get out. So many hypocrites in here. Anyone who doesn't agree with you guys ought to be deported in your minds. It's amazing seeing that ignorance and arrogance flow so freely in here.



Jack

 

[John Berger]

Jack, flag burning may be a protected form of free speech, but the public safety is also a constitutional issue. This guy is an idiot and ought to be prosecuted as an idiot. Given the present circumstances I don't see much difference between what this guy did and the proverbial yelling of "Fire" in a crowded building. It's not what he did, it's the timing and intent. Like I said, he's an idiot. And until flag burning becomes banned by an amendment to the U. S. Constitution, I wouldn't worry about losing a freedom. The arrest may have saved his life, who knows. I would be more concerned with the increased monitoring of Internet e-mail and wiretapping authority that Congress just passed. If the new bill stopped at correcting past inadequacies that would be fine, but the scope has been broadened significantly. This deserves our immediate and protracted attention.

 

[Fireman Dave]

Originally posted by jthorpe





If you don't like freedom and the Constitution, then YOU get out. So many hypocrites in here. Anyone who doesn't agree with you guys ought to be deported in your minds. It's amazing seeing that ignorance and arrogance flow so freely in here.



Jack

No hypocrite here, Jack. My point is, if you don't like America, get the hell out. This country is about welcoming others from other countries who would like to live here, and we still should welcome them. But if you're going to live here, you should have the decency to respect the country you're living in - this also goes for the natives. Respect has been lost in this country thanks to everyones "freedoms". I've had it up to my eyeballs with all of this politically correctness crap. Yeah, maybe it's his "right" to do it, but I say to him get out if you don't like this country. Our constitutional freedoms have been warped out of context by people like the ACLU. It's to the point that anything goes in this country. Did those hijackers have the right to murder all of those people, too? Hey, maybe they were exercising their rights to freedom of expression.



Hmm, hypocrite, huh? What do you use for money, Jack? I suppose you also think we shouldn't have "In God We Trust" on our greenbacks either - violates the separation of church and state. Are you a hypocrite for using US dollars? Pretty bold statement to make when you've never met me before. Flame on.

 

[jthorpe]

Originally posted by John Berger

Jack, flag burning may be a protected form of free speech, but the public safety is also a constitutional issue. This guy is an idiot and ought to be prosecuted as an idiot.

Oh please. Prosecuted as an idiot? I didn't know there were idiot laws on the books. I suppose people like you would find something to prosecute him for though, just because you don't like what he did. The man was on his own property and if he wants to burn the dang flag, then fine. Just don't expect me to go help him when he catches on fire. But to prosecute him for expressing his free speech? Nope.

Given the present circumstances I don't see much difference between what this guy did and the proverbial yelling of "Fire" in a crowded building.

One has absolutely nothing to do with the other. How is lighting something on fire, on his own property and crying wolf similair here?

It's not what he did, it's the timing and intent. Like I said, he's an idiot.

And until flag burning becomes banned by an amendment to the U. S. Constitution, I wouldn't worry about losing a freedom.

No? Why shouldn't I worry about losing freedom? You guys are sitting here telling me that it's ok to arrest a guy for burning the flag, which is perfectly allowable under the Constitution to do, yet you tell me not to worry about it because he's an idiot. Whoa. .

The arrest may have saved his life, who knows.

who cares?

I would be more concerned with the increased monitoring of Internet e-mail and wiretapping authority that Congress just passed. If the new bill stopped at correcting past inadequacies that would be fine, but the scope has been broadened significantly. This deserves our immediate and protracted attention.

I agree with you 100% on that one.

 

[nps]

Re: Re: Go Indiana!

Originally posted by jthorpe





What to you is good about this? Judging by your glee that this guy was arrested, it appears that you're for laws that violoate the constitution. I thought you were all for freedom and here you are contradicting yourself again. I guess you are only for the freedoms that YOU like, but screw everyone else eh?

Thanks for the psychoanalysis Jack, er. . doctor? Where should I send the payment?



No humor, part time shrink, and now a Constitutionalist as well.



Try this on for size - why are you in here suggesting I not exercise my free speech rights? Maybe YOU are the enemy lurking from within.

Originally posted by jthorpe



I think both her and Katie Couric should be left on a small island somewhere in the Pacific forever and ever.

Hypocrisy you say - you really want to do that to Rosie and Katie - make them leave - because you don't agree with them? Guess maybe you're not as smart as you thought (or was that your attempt at humor ).



Get a life. Try posting on non-Sept 11 threads. The sun will come up tomorrow.

 

[John Berger]

Jack, we have the right to free speech; religious and political. It doesn't mean we have the right to be heard. His actions weren't tolerated, he was arrested. While he had the right to burn the flag, I'll bet you any amount of money he didn't have a burn permit. Yes, I do believe he should be prosecuted as an idiot, but the problem is we have no laws against idiocy and it's probably a good thing. Notice that I said he "ought" to be prosecuted in such a manner. I never told you not to worry about losing freedoms in general. My point is fairly simple: You didn't lose the freedom to burn the flag, at least not until the Constitution is amended, so why worry? This is an isolated incident and this guy should have known better, given the climate in the country right now. With freedom, comes responsibility. Burning the flag right now is not a good thing to do. He should have exercised discretion.

 

[Power Wagon]

Whether you believe that flag burning is free speech or not... There ARE limits on free speech.



For instance, claiming your right to sell images of dollar bills, or creating 5 million phoney 100 dollar bills and dumping them in a city, for instance, would get you... well... In mucho heaping bigtime trouble.



We DO have laws that regulate what we say, in many way... libel, inciting to riot, conspiracy to commit crime... all these can be just words. Frankly, as far as I'm concerned, burning the flag is not speech. The way I see it, I own that flag. It stands for my country. It is my symbol, like my signature is. Burning the flag is, in that view, not speech, but a personal attack.



Frankly, I have no idea what the SC will do, if anything, but seems to me that's entirely right and fitting we as a nation set aside the symbol of our country, and put it off-limits. Speech, ideas, no... but actions, yes.

 

[DarrellB]

If You Don't Like It Don't Read It!

Let that SOB try to take my flag off the pole in the front yard and burn it. I'll show him my freedom and right to bare arms. (thats the second amendment if you don't know)



Remember, I live in Southern Indiana an we have lots of sink holes and caves around here.



Nope officer I haven't seen anyone around here that fits that description, might want to try the neighbors down the road. (Saying this while cleaning the 45)



Neil, you guest right and if we can get enough people we could make it a public hangin.



Big D

 

[Chad Sheets]

This guy lives about an hour away. I hear his fellow inmates rubbed red cool aid on his cheeks, made a skirt for him out of his shirt and played a little game while he was there visiting. I also hear people from coast to coast have offered to come here and show this idiot some hospitality. He might currently have the right to burn the American flag, but its gonna cost him in the long run.



Here in Indiana it is against the law to desecrate an American flag. It might be OK'd by the Supreme Court as a freedom of expression, but the State of Indiana has the right to arrest you so long as it is considered illegal by this State.



It use to be against the law in Indiana to have oral sex with your wife (old law on the books from way back when, not sure if its still on the books or not but I think it is) regardless if you do it in the privacy of your own home or not. I am sure the Supreme Court would say otherwise (as they should) but, that does not change the fact that it is an arrestable offense under the Indiana Criminal Code, just as burning an American flag is.



Fact number 2 here is that this idiot did this in the alley beside his house... i. e. city limits. No open burning within city limits.



Fact number 3. The idiot had been drinking and was over the states limit for public intox.



Freedom to say what you want and how you want is all fine as long as you follow the rules to do so. You cant shout "fire" in a cinema. You cant burn anything in city limits. You cant lay in an alleyway drunk. And here in Indiana you cant desecrate a US flag, even if it is your property.



If I was to witness anything like this, I would have to rush the area to put the fire out (my duty as a volunteer fireman, and your duty as a concerned citizen about the welfare and safety of your fellow Americans) not knowing what was on fire, and if my elbows happened to make contact with someone's face as I rushed to put the fire out, I am sure the nice paramedics would do their best to fix the guy up inflicting the least amount of pain as possible while helping this "exerciser of free speech".



Think outside of the box. Better yet, never allow yourself to get in the box and you wont have to worry about it.

 

[DarrellB]

I would hate to see any harm come to that poor persicuted man. He does have rights and he did just burn a little peace of cloth. But he FU*! up when he burnt the flag of the country that many of us love and would do anything to defend. As far as I care they can put that POS on the first plane to Osama and let him out at about 20,000 feet.



Big D

 

[HDH]

Flag Burning

I have been Burning all of my American Flags for years.

Slow down now!

Hold On!

When the flag becomes so frayed and weathered and or dirty/faded,

Thats how you dispose of them.

Do not throw them away in the trash, Always Burn your Flags.

My Neighbor was giving me a hard time till I asked him if he knew what he was talking about.



I dont care if some idiot wants to burn their flag in protest, Just Dont burn mine!Thats for me to do when the time comes. The way I look at it is, If i'm true in my convictions (sp?),Then some Moron who wants to Burn their own flag Does phase me at all. I will always stand true to this country and its ideal's.



THE FLAG CODE

Title 36, U. S. C. , Chapter 10

Section 176 part (k)



The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer a fitting

emblem for display, should be destroyed in a dignified way,

preferably by burning.



Or Try www.legion.org for Flag Info.



Doug.

 

[Champane Flight]

From what

from what I have heard the guy was laying next to his flag in the alley and had the flag laying next to him,while he lit it on fire. The neighbor called the cops on him. I have heard this guy is a paranoid schitzo. If you were going to make a statement and burn a flag(at least that is what our supreme court calls it)woudn't you go to a more populated area?Looks to me like a case of not taking his medication at a bad time... ..... Put him in a nice quiet room for awhile and not let him have any matchs... .

 

[nps]

Originally posted by Chad Sheets

This guy lives about an hour away. I hear his fellow inmates rubbed red cool aid on his cheeks, made a skirt for him out of his shirt and played a little game while he was there visiting. I also hear people from coast to coast have offered to come here and show this idiot some hospitality.

Chad - LMAOROTF



Maybe his sympathizers can take up a collection to send him some soap-on-a-rope.



HDH - You're correct but it also says 'in a dignified way'. That may be subject to interpretation, but I would bet the standard for 'a dignified way' is pretty high right now.



Neil

 

[John Berger]

What really gets me about this guy burning the flag, and flag burning in general, is that in most displays of flag burning it's usually someone of African or Middle Eastern descent doing it, while chanting "Death to America" or "America, the Great Satan". Chad makes some good points, but I'll play devil's advocate for a moment. With the aforementioned stereotype for consideration, let's look at who crashed civilian planes into the WTC and Pentagon. Why would anyone in their right mind want to burn a flag at this particular point in time? Do you think we need to be reminded of our rights and way of life? We just got reminded in an horrific manner. We all have rights, but the judicious use of those rights sometimes gets lost in the shuffle. If the guy wants to burn the flag, let him. He better be willing to take the medicine he is dishing out, because it is definitely coming back in spades. I've seen the revulsion directed towards flag burners under normal circumstances. Attention all flag burners and those who act as apologists for you: We are not living under normal circumstances at this time. I do not understand the irresponsible exercise of this so-called right and the contortions of panic and concern for free speech rights displayed by those of the far Left. These are the same people who blame America first. They are the same people who tell me that I shouldn't be allowed to own a firearm and ignore the meaning of the 2nd Amendment. They are the same people that support Andres Sorrano putting a crucifix in a jar of his own urine and calling it free speech because it's art. They are the same people who tell us we should try to understand why these attacks occurred, as though we are all ignorant serfs that have to be guided through the most basic nuances of our daily lives. Their arrogance and condescension know no bounds. I have news for those of you who fit this description - and you know who you are. I watched the World Trade Center get hit by jet airliners. I watched the World Trade Center collapse. I saw the Pentagon in flames, a building that I used to drive by everyday when I was in the Navy stationed in Washington, DC, which was my first home away from home. I lived just 3 miles away, in Alexandria. I don't need to gain understanding of the people who did this, or the people on the Left who support them by blaming America. I understand all to clearly. I also understand how precious our freedoms and way of life are. Contrary to a number of posts in this forum, it is possible to hold both views and be consistent. I don't need to be reminded of any of the things I have noted here, because I am not stupid. I know and understand clearly, what happened to us on September 11. I know, because I saw it on TV