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Any machinists out there who can recommend good source for quality drill bits? Any particular brand best? Where can I get a good price on a set and what about buying replacements when I break one? I'm soooo tired of the cheap junk breaking or going flat just when I need them on a tough job... what about the little machines that are supposed to sharpen bits? junk or worth the money?

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I use Hansen Cobalt bits for replacements(Ace hardware),they seem to last well if you lube them when drilling steel. Haven't bought a set for quite some time,can't help you there.
Bought an Ultra-Sharp system for sharpening blades and bits,didn't like it because you couldn't see what you were doing,got rid of the jigs for it and use just the grinder freehand for bits. Most of the time I use just a diamond file for sharpening,not as expensive as it sounds, less than $10.
 
I am not a machinist but I bought a set of 21 cobalt bits from NortnernTool. Com for $50. They work just fine. Main thing I have found is that if a tool, drill bit, file etc. does not say made in USA, Japan or Germany, it is probably junk. Northern also sells non USA made drill bits so make sure the one you buy from them says made in USA. Price will usually tell you, i. e. their 115 pc non USA cobalt set sells for $95, while the 29 pc USA made cobalt set sells for $80. I'm sure some machinist out there know of much better bits but I probably can't afford them.
 
I think if I were looking for bits I would try Lowes or either Sears. Don't know about cost.

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Here's my machinist . 02's worth. First, if your not getting chips while drilling STOP. Something is wrong, dull drill, material harder than you thought, ect. Only drill fast enough to cut good, excessive drill speed can work harden your part. Always use a lube, wd40, motor oil, ect, it helps. In my experience, it's not the quality of the drill, it's either operator error, or the drill is dull/cutting edge chipped. I haven't personally used the cheaper Drill Doctor sharpeners, but I have used the $1100 version, and it kicks butt. I hope this helps.

Al

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I am a machinist also, so I can add another two cents. I think MSC is a good place to buy drills or any other metal cutting tool you want. They have the better imported stuff to very good quality. I would recommend to anyone to get their catalog. It is free and very useful. This year's catalog is 4,480 pages. I don't recommend the CD.
Anyway, sure there are better brands than others, but you must consider what you are doing with them. Take for instance a single 1/2" Guhring series 622, it is $69. 06 This is not the drill for the handyman! As far as what I would recommend, well I guess I would agree NO imports. It is probably OK if it is made in the USA. Chicago-Latrobe makes a good drill. So does Precision twist drill. Cleveland drills are also very good but they are pricey. Here are some prices for you on a 29 piece production grade set 1/16" - 1/2".

Import - $20. 54
USA - $54. 02
Chicago-Latrobe - $89. 12
Precision - $93. 58
Cleveland - $111. 22

If you are using these drills in a hand drill, I wouldn't suggest to get cobalt. Cobalt tends to chip when exiting the hole when hand drilling due to the lack of control. They do however work excellent in a drill press or any machine tool. I would suggest to just get 118 degree points. 135 degree points generally have thicker webs and require split pointing to reduce tool pressure. This adds difficulty to resharpening, particularly if you are going to hand sharpen. The greater web thickness and flatter point angle also promotes walking and out of round holes. 118 degree points are pretty much standard and work well for most applications.
As far as being able to buy replacements, MSC sells drills individually, but you would almost need to be buying something along with it to justify the shipping cost. Typically, if you have a good bit to start with, breakage only comes from misuse. If you need to get another drill in a hurry you can always go to the local hardware store.
In response to the little resharpening machines, I have never used the Darex drill doctor either. There was a thread about it at the Ford site not too long ago. I also used the $1100 dollar model sharpener and if I were only using it at home, I would definitely agree that it kicks butt. I however used to resharpen drills for work and most of our work was for Rockwell International. They are relatively fussy about the sizes of their drilled holes. For example, if I recall correctly, a 1/4" hole was allowed to be -. 001" to +. 003" giving a range of . 249" to . 253" The Darex sharpener would not resharpen drills to hold these sizes. The sharpener we had was used quite a bit before we had Rockwell work so it did have a fair amount of wear on it. I guess you could conclusively say that it did apparently work well at one time #ad
You can always sharpen drills by hand, but it is an acquired skill.
If you decide to sharpen by hand, buy a drill point gauge. With this you can check to see that your angles are equal and the flutes are the same length. Basically as long as the drill has clearance it will cut, but it has to be sharpened on center and have equal angles for it to cut to size and not walk. Don't let this paragraph scare you, it's not that hard.

Just as a tip, since you may not always have a tap-drill chart handy, here is an easy way to calculate tap drill sizes.
Take the threads per inch, divide it into 1 and subtract that from the major diameter. Two examples for you:

3/8"-16 Take the 16, divide it into one, this equals . 0625 now subtract that from the 3/8", this equals . 3125" or 5/16" That is your tap drill size.

1/2"-13 Take the 13, divide it into one, this equals approximately . 077" now subtract that from the 1/2", this equals . 423" or approximately 27/64" That is your tap drill size.

This also works on metric threads, but it is less involved due to how metric threads are declared. English threads are stated as threads per inch while metric threads are stated as the distance between threads. For example, a M8 x 1. 25 is calculated by simply subtracting the 1. 25 from 8 giving a tap drill size of 6. 75 mm

Another example, M24 x 3 is 24 - 3 giving a tap drill size of 21 mm

Another tip, to calculate the desired speed for your drill use this formula.
CS stands for cutting speed. A mediocre speed for steel and iron is 70 surface feet.

RPM = CS X 3. 82 / Diameter

By substitution for a 1/2" drill

70 X 3. 82 / . 5 = 535 RPM

So if you are using a drill press, try to find the closest speed to that. It is generally better to go slower than faster.

Hope this helps.
Bryan

P. S. Sorry for the long windedness.
 
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I have to agree with Okie-go. I have used Sears Craftsman brand for a good number of years and found them to be very sharp and good quality. Replacements for broken ones are readily available and most times are free due to Craftsman's lifetime warranty.

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Snap-On has great drill bits, a good warranty for the larger ones, and the smaller sizes are not expensive. Not only that, they are really great drill bits.

The Cobalts are priced decent...
 
I work at a company that is that has one of the biggest machine shops around. I'll ask some toolmakers about drill bits. I wanna know to.
I should know this question since I deal with a lot of toolmakers every day. My time is spent running dies and trouble shooting them. Don't get a chance to see them build or repair dies that often.
 
As a Machinist I can tell you Bryan gave you all you need to know... where to buy, find mc master carr on the web and order H. S. drill bits and some Rapid Tap cutting fluid, a little geos a long way. E-Mail me your address and I will send you a can! #ad




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P. S. the problem with cobalt is they have a thick wed and sharpening by hand can be tricky as the point gets too wide to cut without a pilot hole or two.
Mike

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