Got Cold This Weekend - Plug in the Block Heater

[JR]

Much of the farm equipment you refer to that have 6.7 & 8.3 do not have an exhaust brake function.

So yes, they would not recommend using an exhaust brake for warm up. Additionally, most farm equipment would not see freezing starts

No farm or construction equipment has an EB that I've ever seen. Not exactly necessary when your top speed is generally under 10mph

The point is they specifically advise against cold engine idling. And if you don't think farm equipment doesn't see cold weather starts, come on up for a week in January. I'll dispell that myth for ya. Farmers dont have the luxury of not farming just because the weather turns cold.

 

[Newsa]

No farm or construction equipment has an EB that I've ever seen. Not exactly necessary when your top speed is generally under 10mph

The point is they specifically advise against cold engine idling. And if you don't think farm equipment doesn't see cold weather starts, come on up for a week in January. I'll dispell that myth for ya. Farmers dont have the luxury of not farming just because the weather turns cold.

Well, i said freezing. Cold weather is subjective. And of course, you have some cold weather starts.
That's one of the reasons farm equipment offers enclosed heated and A/C cabs.

It depends of course what type of farming you do. Poultry, dairy and livestock is of course year round.
Poultry is big where i grew up in and around Tremont, IL. In fact, it is so big there that the high school mascot is a turkey.

Although we weren't farmers, never saw my neighbors in the snow-covered fields much in January.

 

[MarkEagleUSA]

Well, i said freezing. Cold weather is subjective.

It was a balmy 22° here this morning. Nothing subjective about that.

 

[KATOOM]

Its strange to see what things are debated and hashed out in these forums sometimes.....

 

[gsbrockman]

Care to refer us to the FCA or Cummins publication that came from?

And more importantly.....WHY are these features thus enabled on OUR trucks?

 

[jhenderson]

So that answers the most important question which was how long is too long to idle a truck. Simply posting that line would have avoided much debate. But then again, maybe that wasn’t the desired result.

 

[GrantP]

Its strange to see what things are debated and hashed out in these forums sometimes.....

I think our trucks run so well we get bored with no real problems to talk about.

 

[Newsa]

Its strange to see what things are debated and hashed out in these forums sometimes.....

Speaking of idling....
You probably also wanted to know that the BD high idle kit is on my xmas list.

Trouble is, i don't know if it will interfere with the BD throttle sensitivity booster already installed. Any advice from anyone?

 

[TCDiesel]

Speaking of idling....
You probably also wanted to know that the BD high idle kit is on my xmas list.

Trouble is, i don't know if it will interfere with the BD throttle sensitivity booster already installed. Any advice from anyone?

Newsa, the truck has Ramp/PTO ready installed you just need WITECH to enable the feature.

 

[Newsa]

Newsa, the truck has Ramp/PTO ready installed you just need WITECH to enable the feature.

I've heard the g56 models don't have that option installed. Unless you know something we don't

 

[TCDiesel]

I've heard the g56 models don't have that option installed. Unless you know something we don't

I forgot you have MT.

 

[Shadrach]

I have an Espar ( a diesel fired engine heater ) on my 08 and had one on my 03 as well. I love it as it will warm the engine temp up to a max of 160*F. It only runs for a max of 2 hours and uses very little fuel and battery power. I don't need an electrical outlet to use this. I even use it in the summer in the mountains for 30 minutes or so while I'm getting the trailer ready. That way I am not pulling a hill on a cold engine. Even in Aug at higher altitudes it can get near freezing overnight.

I would rather use the heater or plug it in and have a warm engine sooner than drive a cold one. It's easier on the engine and I get heat in the cab sooner. I also use a Mopar winterfront. My truck is not a daily driver and I also don't use it much in winter, altho I do take it for a run once a month or so to keep everything lubricated.

David

 

[JR]

And more importantly.....WHY are these features thus enabled on OUR trucks?

It is very clearly spelled out. Operator comfort (rapidly heating the cab), and for the times when idling can not be avoided. A far cry different than making a daily habit of something. Am I really the only one here with viable reading comprehension?

So that answers the most important question which was how long is too long to idle a truck. Simply posting that line would have avoided much debate. But then again, maybe that wasn’t the desired result.

Im not sure what you really think the desired result has been on my end, other than speaking the truth, which I do to the best of my ability. Unfortunately I've been slandered by you and a few others in the process when all anyone had to do was do a little of their own research. Since this is the second thread in a short period of time regarding the same subject it is obvious that was too much to ask for. I suppose it was my error to expect as much from TDR regulars.

Good thing I've got some thick skin

 

[mpaulson]

Mine is plugged in as soon as overnight lows get to -5C/23F. When it gets to below -10C/14F I also plug in the transmission (2"x4" adheasive)and oil pan (4"x3" adheasive)heaters in as well.
And I do idle it for about 10-15 minutes before I drive it in the winter. This is my 8th Cummins and I have never had any issues related to this idling, no emissions issues, no engine issues at all.
I baby my truck as far as plugging it in and it is plugged in all night as well and all day at work.

 

[gsbrockman]

It is very clearly spelled out. Operator comfort (rapidly heating the cab), and for the times when idling can not be avoided. A far cry different than making a daily habit of something. Am I really the only one here with viable reading comprehension?

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[JR]

Its strange to see what things are debated and hashed out in these forums sometimes.....

It is true that most peoples habits will not negatively affect their vehicles during their ownership period. Most do not own a truck long enough to worry about things like this, it's a consumer piece and Ram/GM/Ford know this. I tend to be in the minority, I had my 98 from 2000 up until last year and God willing will have this one at least close to that or hopefully longer.

It just doesn't pencil out for me to trade em until they're wore out and I try to do my part to prolong that as much as possible.

 

[jhenderson]

It is very clearly spelled out. Operator comfort (rapidly heating the cab), and for the times when idling can not be avoided. A far cry different than making a daily habit of something. Am I really the only one here with viable reading comprehension?



Im not sure what you really think the desired result has been on my end, other than speaking the truth, which I do to the best of my ability. Unfortunately I've been slandered by you and a few others in the process when all anyone had to do was do a little of their own research. Since this is the second thread in a short period of time regarding the same subject it is obvious that was too much to ask for. I suppose it was my error to expect as much from TDR regulars.

Good thing I've got some thick skin

No you don’t.
If the desired result was to answer the question you’d have posted that 10 minute figure the first time anybody asked. Why would anybody here research idling a QSB ? For your information “ Slander” involves spoken word. You mean libel, which involves written statements. Unfortunately for you, you’re still wrong. Either of those offenses also require False statements or accusations to be charged and convicted. Neither of which have happened. Nice try.
P.s. 21degrees here this morning. Started the truck. Within 1 minute it automatically went to 1000 rpm. Within 6 minutes I had clear windows and 155 degrees block temp. Off I went.

 

[JR]

Slander, libel, I never claimed to have an in depth knowledge of my native language Doesn't make my statement any less true.

If the desired result was to answer the question you’d have posted that 10 minute figure the first time anybody asked

First, I don't own the book I posted (although I do have possession of it for now). I have offered here and in the past to post up this very info on more than one occasion. Apparently nobody was interested, so I didn't go out of my way to get it. I happened to be over there yesterday so I grabbed it up and posted a few pics as soon as I had it. Again, if anybody had expressed interest sooner i would have made it a point to get it.

As far as researching a QSB, other than perhaps pistons, maybe the crank depending on the application, and the final fueling tune (HP/TQ) they are essentially the same as the ISB. Both are tier IV and they both run a 2350 ECM. Point being you would not have to research a QSB to find this info. ANY research done on a current 6.7 would result in the same info, start, drive/operate light loaded, no warm up required. Nowhere in any literature will you see Cummins make a recommendation to idle, high idle, EB to warm up.

P.s. 21degrees here this morning. Started the truck. Within 1 minute it automatically went to 1000 rpm. Within 6 minutes I had clear windows and 155 degrees block temp. Off I went.

If you would have used your bloc heater for an hour you would have been making heat right away

 

[jhenderson]

Slander, libel, I never claimed to have an in depth knowledge of my native language Doesn't make my statement any less true.



First, I don't own the book I posted (although I do have possession of it for now). I have offered here and in the past to post up this very info on more than one occasion. Apparently nobody was interested, so I didn't go out of my way to get it. I happened to be over there yesterday so I grabbed it up and posted a few pics as soon as I had it. Again, if anybody had expressed interest sooner i would have made it a point to get it.

As far as researching a QSB, other than perhaps pistons, maybe the crank depending on the application, and the final fueling tune (HP/TQ) they are essentially the same as the ISB. Both are tier IV and they both run a 2350 ECM. Point being you would not have to research a QSB to find this info. ANY research done on a current 6.7 would result in the same info, start, drive/operate light loaded, no warm up required. Nowhere in any literature will you see Cummins make a recommendation to idle, high idle, EB to warm up.



If you would have used your bloc heater for an hour you would have been making heat right away

Other than the ALL THIS a qsb is essentially the same as an ISB. Quite a statement. Reverse our positions and tell me what your reply to that statement would be. Keep in mind your reply’s when I showed literature direct from Cummins on the Jake Brake. Plugging in doesn’t warm the oil, which is far more important than my comfort.
The primary literature for the operation of our trucks comes from Ram. Do I need to show you AGAIN what it says?

 

[KATOOM]

Plugging in doesn’t warm the oil, which is far more important than my comfort

I dont want to get involved in your guys battle.....but just wanted to point out that plugging in does warm the oil. Not "directly" but it does allow a maximum temp of about 100*F for the coolant and block which by association takes the chill off the oil too.