Got the lowdown today about ULSD

[DZink24]

I was talking to a Hess tanker driver today, he said that they no longer blend K1 with #2 for the cold weather months. It is nothing but ULSD, apparently it is good down to -6 F. But he did say however, they've got about 20 cases of anti-gel back at the rack, "just in case".

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

I was talking to a Hess tanker driver today, he said that they no longer blend K1 with #2 for the cold weather months. It is nothing but ULSD, apparently it is good down to -6 F. But he did say however, they've got about 20 cases of anti-gel back at the rack, "just in case".

As I understand it, the "old" diesel was already good down to nearly zero degrees - so a 6 degree "improvement" doesn't seem like much... I suspect the winter blend, and anti-gell will still be with us for a while...

 

[JLEONARD]

I had fuel gel at +2 in Ct with my old VW.

I'm using anti-gel additive. Period.

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

I had fuel gel at +2 in Ct with my old VW.

I'm using anti-gel additive. Period.

YUP, -6 degrees protection won't cut it for many northern and eastern states...

 

[Nate]

-6* :-laf In Northern Maine that temp means you put a sweatshirt and a hat on.

 

[EKlem]

I hope that they are still blending because I am not a big fan of gelling up. I guess that I will be adding antigel. Won't all of the kids be excited when school gets canceled every time it is starting to get cold because the school buses won't start.

 

[klenger]

What's that "-" mean in front of the 6°?

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

What's that "-" mean in front of the 6°?

WELL, i aint praperly edicated, but id asoom it meens like 6 belo zeeero...

 

[GFrance]

We no longer blend #1 kero with #2 diesel because the Kero has sulpher & will put the ULSD out of spec of 15 ppm. For the cold side of the mountain in this state the carriers that deliver over there have been adding another additive ontop of what is being added at the pipeline. I don't know what it is, for I don't deliver on that side of the state. I know one of the drivers told me he puts in 5 gallons of additive for a 10,000 gal. load.

 

[DJW]

Would minus -6, mean 6 degrees below 32F ? By the way would that be a Dry cold or Wet? I understand there is a slight difference according to some humans.

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

We no longer blend #1 kero with #2 diesel because the Kero has sulpher & will put the ULSD out of spec of 15 ppm. For the cold side of the mountain in this state the carriers that deliver over there have been adding another additive ontop of what is being added at the pipeline. I don't know what it is, for I don't deliver on that side of the state. I know one of the drivers told me he puts in 5 gallons of additive for a 10,000 gal. load.

Interesting - I hadn't considered that! For sure, SOMETHING has to be provided to keep diesel powered vehicles operating down into the minus degrees - ULSD or not!

 

[Champane Flight]

Check specs

Most terminals have made the conversion to ULSD, BOTH #1 and #2 are 15 PPm or lower. . Check BOLs, ask your terminal operators. I have found that over half of the drivers pulling out of our terminal were not aware of this fact! They only check their gallons, destination, and head down the road!

 

[JasonCzerak]

So, does this mean that we won't drop 3 or 4 mpg in econ this winter?

 

[MMiller]

So, does this mean that we won't drop 3 or 4 mpg in econ this winter?

No it will drop 6-8 because our trucks will have to run 24/7 so the fuel stays warm enough it won't gel... ... ... ... . :-laf



Michael

 

[Cummins Pilot]

-6* :-laf In Northern Maine that temp means you put a sweatshirt and a hat on.

Woohoo heat wave!!!!



No amount of "anti gelling" additive will keep my fuel from gelling at -50f and colder. Stanadyne is "anti gelling" and I've seen bottles of it (still capped & sealed from the factroy) frozen SOLID.



I've taken samples of winter #2 (good to -15f) with Stanadyne & another with winter PS mixed in. The PS did slightly better but after about -25f both were gelled.

 

[Greenleaf]

-6* :-laf In Northern Maine that temp means you put a sweatshirt and a hat on.

A frosty head only looks good on a mug of beer.

 

[Champane Flight]

The old and the new

LSD and ULSD have just about the same freeze points, and cloud points. Our winter fuels are still running around -10 to -20. .

 

[BSwope]

Hey fellas just have a question here, i went and put some fuel in my truck and as i was pumpin i see that it 15ppm, ive got diesel from there before but its been awhile, so i only put $20 in! Now my question is can i go to my regular station that has 500ppm and fill the rest of the way with that? Can we mix?

 

[MMeier]

WELL, i aint praperly edicated, but id asoom it meens like 6 belo zeeero...

Man, some people have problems now, don't they? ! Anything below 55* and I'm freezing!

 

[Champane Flight]

No problems

Hey fellas just have a question here, i went and put some fuel in my truck and as i was pumpin i see that it 15ppm, ive got diesel from there before but its been awhile, so i only put $20 in! Now my question is can i go to my regular station that has 500ppm and fill the rest of the way with that? Can we mix?

You can mix, you can use either. There is no difference except for the sulfur content. Lubricity is added to both, freeze and pour points are the same, do not sweat it. . We have been in ULSD for the last nine months, no complaints.