Gotta love them furds

[AllianceDiesel]

So I was putting new tires on my wifes jeep tonight at the ford dealership with my father-in-law, who is a tech there. Well there was a ford powerjoke 6. 0 sitting in the stall next to me getting torn apart, I asked what was wrong with it, he said the high pressure oil line that run the injectors blew up and came out the back timing cover, now they have to tear the transmission and half the motor apart to fix it. I thought that was pretty funny but then he told me about the great 6. 4's.



He said they are having trouble with them now injecting fuel to clean the exhaust filters out like dodge is doing, but its actually melting #1 and #2 cylinders. Now thats freaking funny, I couldn't stop laughing, the funny thing is, he hates the 6. oh no's and the 6. 4's.



Just thought I would share with you guys espcially the 6. 7 guys, now you can see how much worse it could be.

 

[Vaughn MacKenzie]

If you want to mess with the turbo on a 6. 4 it pretty much means removing the cab. Here's a guy getting a simple oil line return seal replaced! Cab off my F350 pictures from trucks photos on webshots

Thread to accompany pictures Took the cab off for turbo repair - Diesel Forum - The Diesel Stop.com

 

[Dieselnut59]

A local dealer that sells Ford and Dodge said they have had to add two additional bays in their shop JUST to accommodate the 6. 0 and 6. 4 repairs. This guy said the cab must come off for nearly anything done to the rear of the engine, which is frequent since that is where the turbo sits. He was telling me about a coupe trucks that had "run away" when oil gets into the intake on the 6. 4 pos engine. He said they rarely have any problems with the Cummins besides the new emission mess. They sell about an equal amount of both trucks now that Dodge finally has a cab/chassis.

 

[HBarlow]

So



Just thought I would share with you guys espcially the 6. 7 guys, now you can see how much worse it could be.

mopartech,



An excellent point well made. We Dodge-Cummins owners are so spoiled we get upset when we get a check engine light. We need to be reminded occasionally how good and reliable our trucks are compared to the other brands available.



I've put close to 600,000 total miles on three Dodge-Cummins and the worst and most expensive failure that has ever occurred was a leaking head gasket on the '01 at around 250,000 miles. A friend and former Dodge diesel tech replaced it for me off duty. The total repair bill cost me about $225.



Ford and GM could not get me to drive one of their trucks if they gave one to me.

 

[Vaughn MacKenzie]

Even with all the new emissions control equipment on the HD Ram I think there's a lot of wrenching the novice mechanic can do at home, like head gasket replacements, turbo service, and even some service to the emissions devices (EGR, cooler, etc. or just take 'em off). Now try doing any of this sort of thing to a SuperDuty. . . I can't even ID some of the components under the hood, and then good luck even finding the engine under the hood. The DMax is pretty bad too but top honors for cramped engine bay goes to the SuperDuty.

 

[HBarlow]

... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ..... Now try doing any of this sort of thing to a SuperDuty. . . I can't even ID some of the components under the hood, and then good luck even finding the engine under the hood. The DMax is pretty bad too but top honors for cramped engine bay goes to the SuperDuty.

Very true!



Before an owner could work on his Ferd Stupid Duty at home he'd have to have a building tall enough to install a lift so he could lift the cab off every time he wanted to look under the hood.

 

[Grizzly]

Why don't the die hard furd people just buy a gas V10 engine? I understand the V10's a good engine, however they are a gas hog. Would the cab have to be pulled to work on them?

 

[jwgary]

Why don't the die hard furd people just buy a gas V10 engine? I understand the V10's a good engine, however they are a gas hog. Would the cab have to be pulled to work on them?

Not having actually seen one, I would thing you would have the same or worse problem just because of the fact that you have another row of cylinders to make the engine longer under a short hood.

 

[TFucili]

Why don't the die hard furd people just buy a gas V10 engine? I understand the V10's a good engine, however they are a gas hog. Would the cab have to be pulled to work on them?

They were having a real problem with blowing the spark plugs out of the heads. I don't know if that was resolved, but "$4,000 tune-ups" were an unwelcome experience for many.

 

[WDixon27]

as i understand the plugs only engauge only like 3-4 threads and that is where the problem is, i think that applys to all of the engines of that family 6 8 and 10 cylinder, you know there is a good problem with something like that when you can't pick up a automotive tool catalog that doesn't have several different brand on the car rethreading kits for it

They were having a real problem with blowing the spark plugs out of the heads. I don't know if that was resolved, but "$4,000 tune-ups" were an unwelcome experience for many.

 

[rbattelle]

I think the packaging of the 6. 4 in that engine compartment is almost criminal for any engineer to have designed. I wonder if the next iteration of the Super Duty will require a cab removal to change the oil? Or worse, to refuel it!

However, I will say this - once the cab is removed it looks like a piece of cake to work on the engine and transmission. Everything's right there!

I've always wished my truck had a tilt cab, or at least a tilt front-clip.

Ryan

 

[Grizzly]

I think the packaging of the 6. 4 in that engine compartment is almost criminal for any engineer to have designed. I wonder if the next iteration of the Super Duty will require a cab removal to change the oil? Or worse, to refuel it!



However, I will say this - once the cab is removed it looks like a piece of cake to work on the engine and transmission. Everything's right there!



I've always wished my truck had a tilt cab, or at least a tilt front-clip.



Ryan

How expensive and how much time does it take to remove and replace the cab on a furds? There're suppose to be engineered for easy removal, but you have to have the hoist and other equipment to do so. That leaves the shade tree mechanic out.

 

[AllianceDiesel]

somebody was telling me that thier buddy owns or is a service manager at a ford dealership and they had to add two extra stalls just for working on the 6. 0/6. 4's

 

[WILLD420]

Much like working on GM's front wheel drive platforms. It's easier to lift the car and drop the whole engine/trans/suspension than jack the engine forward to change the plugs.

I'm not a Ford Tech, so maybe they can answer this better. But, if it's set up to be easy to lift the cab, then it's probably not a lot bigger deal to lift the body off the frame, than it is to lean over the fender for 5 hours trying to reach into a hole and get to things.

I fully agree that the whole fiasco is a crock of crap, but when do we draw the line as a society? People still buy Fords every day, even though they have to be worked on with a lift and a whole pile of special tools.

You won't see me doing it, but then again, I don't have a fleet, and I don't believe in paying someone else to do a job that I can do myself. My 02 Cummins will stay parked in my driveway till something better comes along, but you can bet it won't be a new Ford diesel. I'd go back to driving my old 6. 9 before I'd buy one of those pieces of junk.

 

[rbattelle]

People still buy Fords every day, even though they have to be worked on with a lift and a whole pile of special tools.

True, but I see very few '08-up Super Duties around here. And most of those I've seen were fleet/contractor/municipal trucks. It's not like I'm not noticing them - they're so ugly they're easy to spot in traffic.

But that may simply be the economy in action. I can't say I see very many newer GMs either.

Ryan

 

[raychem]

As far as the cab removal, the 6. 0 can have the cab removed in under 2 hrs by someone who knows. My friend that does it for me on occation can remove the cab in under 90 mins. He knows that truck like the back of his hands. The 6. 4 is easier and can be done in about an hour since ford made cab removal easier on the 6. 4 trucks. As for the superduty, I think we will see a ford diesel engine in their trucks next because of the fall out they have had with international over the years.

Not for nothing, but I want ford to get back on their feet. The 7. 3 was a pretty decent engine. If they could get a power plant as good as that one they would be in business again and I could start working on them again. Unless it is a 7. 3... ... I usually dont touch it.



Richard