greasecar kit soon for 3rd gens

[Matt400]

http://www.greasecar.com/ is working on a production kit for 3rd gens.

I haven't done much research on alt fuels but it looks like a more viable solution than making Bio in the garage.

 

[Bob4x4]

http://www.greasecar.com/ is working on a production kit for 3rd gens.

I haven't done much research on alt fuels but it looks like a more viable solution than making Bio in the garage.

And of course it will have no affect on your warranty



Bob

 

[AKaiser]

That's the number one reason I'm looking at a 2003-early 04. Golden Fuel Systems www.greasel.com claims they converted their first 3G within a month of their introduction, and have a 3 year track record on it. See this link for details.

 

[Big Sur]

I know very little about running SVO, but I would like to enter a word of caution.



I'm at the Iowa Biodiesel Workshop now (run by Iowa State University) and from what I've gathered running straight vegetable oil is not good for the long term health of the engine. Controlled lab tests presented Monday showed that over time SVO powered engines degrade far, far more rapidly than engines run on less viscous fuels (SVO viscosity is 10x that of both #2 and biodiesel). Large stationary engines (for electricity generation) have proved to work well on SVO as they are designed to run on #5 or #6.



That said, Elsbett (www.elsbett.com) produces engines designed to run on SVO as well as coverting existing engines for SVO use.



$0. 02

 

[RoryTek]

One word Frybrid
But I don't think 3G are out yet.

 

[Matt400]

Controlled lab tests presented Monday showed that over time SVO powered engines degrade far, far more rapidly than engines run on less viscous fuels (SVO viscosity is 10x that of both #2 and biodiesel).

Does that include heated systems? Heating SVO obviously reduces the viscosity considerably.

 

[AKaiser]

Here's a previous thread I posted on this which is a TDR post that has a link about a French study done on rapeseed oil in diesel engines. It seems that, when properly heated, the damage done would be minimal, at least with rapeseed oil. The paper is a bit technical, so maybe someone with a stronger science background could read it and give a better synopsis than can I.

 

[cj hall]

svo and wvo

hello big sur



I for one would like to see who or what big corp is paying for that study?

someone want to bet on who is ??



looks like the same oll story from a new place



just my 2 cents



cj hall

 

[Big Sur]

I wasn't able to find out who paid for the study. Sounds like you think it's the soy growers. Maybe, maybe not. If you have any study results from running SVO for 100k+ miles please let me know, as I would prefer to run the cheapest fuel possible without damaging my Cummins

 

[cj hall]

soy oil

Hello All



I think that the storys about svo hurting the engines are all (can't say that word) let's see -------------- BS. starting the engine hurts the engine



as far as 100,000 miles can't do that, sorry.

but what I can say is that it works. does it have some problems yes is it hurting the engine ,yes ,but only as much as the next person the only fuel that does not hurt an engine is ----------------- none. the best way to save an engine is not to start it. diesel fuel is just as bad for the engines , if it is so great why is there so much talk about what additives you need to run for the ulsd that you will be burning just to save your 1500. 00 ip ?????? whats that going to do to all the parts?????



The OIL co. funded the study either the SOY OIL Co or the BLACK OIL Co might be the GOVT they tell you the truth (right) could be all of them .



All I am saying is that if you take what they say is the truth then you will only buy biodiesel or #2 and thats what they want then the gov has control !!!!!!



I want a better fuel one that are farmers can grow/crush and sell no more big oil companys bending us over the barrel (so to say)

They like biodiesel SVO has to be Refined into a fuel did you see the word the word that makes them happy.



Just my 2 cents

cj hall

 

[AKaiser]

I doubt the soy growers funded the one that I linked, which showed rapeseed (which canola is a low prussic acid derivative of) was the best. Don't know about the Iowa study. I do know this. I did a little rough math on the cost of running clean WVO, and it would pay for itself PDQ, and I could afford to repower it, depending on the differential cost of No 2 and the fuel tax alone I would be legally required to pay on the WVO in anywhere from 2 to 5 years, based on the 35,000 some-odd miles I tend to drive in a year's time and $2-3 No 2. I'm pretty damn sure I won't run one down in less than 2 years with a properly designed system. I'll re-run the figures again, which I believe are on my personal laptop, but I think I could justify it even at $2 fuel.

 

[NUKEMAN]

A co-worker of mine just picked up his '05 Greasecar conversion on Friday. Saw the pics of the install; looks pretty impressive.

 

[Matt400]

I didn't know they had one for the 3rd gens yet??

 

[NUKEMAN]

Yep, 3rd gens are available. He bought an '05 2500 and had it converted before he picked it up.

He picked it up Friday, and so far is very happy. I'll try to get some pics up (from me or him) soon. Pretty interesting setup.

 

[Matt400]

Great, I would like to see what they did!

 

[roverhybrids]

Those interested in running their 3rd gen on VO may want to do some research on system design and ideal temperatures before making any decisions.

 

[Hoodoo]

Here's some pics of my greasecar converted 3rd gen. Install was done by Bartlett greasecar , Doug Bartlett, in Spokane Washington. Overall it was a very professional install so far the only problem I have had is there was a faulty weld on the fuel tank and Greasecar is going to have to swap it out... free of charge of course! Heater system basically works like a plug-in perculator to cycle coolant through the system so you run on WVO right away with out waiting for warm up. Veg system is pretty straight forward with send/return lines (WVO fuel line is inside of on of the coolant lines so it is as warm as coolant) filter, and fuel valves. Veg tank is enclosed inside tool box and is a pretty tight fit but Doug mounted the tool box on neoprene supports so it would withstand schock. Tank is aluminum so hopefully the cracked weld is just a fluke and not something that will happen again.



Doug bought the truck at an auction for me and negotiated my trade in and did the install. Really good guy to work with and very knowledgeable about the whole "WVO" biz. He also refines and sell WVO at his store so if you have a converted truck drop by and see him. Here's his contact info:

Doug Bartlett

Bartlett Greasecar

9514 E Montgomery Ave #24

Spokane Valley, WA 99206

-- email address removed --



First trip on vegetable oil was pretty eye opening as the truck seemed to run very quite and smooth... and smelled like french fries. So far my only problem is getting enough time to collect and filter oil, with two new kids I have had zero time to do anything. I'll post a few more pics of the truck and do updates as I go along.

 

[Hoodoo]

More pics

Here's a few more pics!Oo.

 

[Matt400]

Interesting, so what exactly do you need to do to the WVO before dumping it in the tank?

 

[roverhybrids]

Hey Hoodoo,

great to see other commonrail vegy conversions. Did the installer use the normal greasecar pex line for your HIH?

What is the blue thing above the exhaust manifold? Fuel pump?

What is inside of the big foil wrapped package on the drivers side of the engine? Filter?



What is the "plug in perculator"? Is this some kind of electric heater?