Guns and RVing

[Larry Willard]

I keep a 12 GA. by the bed,house and camper. That is my weapon of choice. The wife has the handgun, and I don't want to know where or if she carries it.

Larry

 

[The patriot]

ROFLMAO

The sound of a 12 gauge pump being racked is recognisable, even to the stupidist of criminals. :-laf

Eric

 

[clem]

I like the 6 12 rule . I too have a CCW in my state and have a load gun in the cab all the time. A unloaded or locked up gun is not much good if one has a need . It also keeps the bad guys in the dark as to has one. A 12ga. is nice but a little big to keep in the truck with you, and cutting them down is a real no no!!

 

[Midnite]

Originally posted by Steve St. Laurent

P. S. Be careful of CCW permits and the possible reprecussions of getting one. After talking to several CCW class teachers and a couple of lawyers I decided not to get a CCW permit here in Michigan. All of them agreed that having a CCW in MI actually limited what you could do and increased the possibility and severity of reprecussions in a situation where you'd need to use a gun than if you didn't have it.



The reason for that is because after getting the CCW permit you have taken the CCW class and are now more informed as to your responsibilities than you would otherwise be. I've talked with several friends that have taken the classes and gotten their permits and afterwards said that if they had known what they learned in the class that they wouldn't have gotten them. As I understand it carrying concealed without a permit is a misdemeanor in MI - basically a slap on the wrist.

This is very interesting, and something that didn't even occur to me. I was a volunteer medic for four years (state and nationally certified EMT-1), and something that was made clear to us at the outset was that once we received medical training, we took on a much higher risk of being sued in the event we had to treat someone. The legal thinking is that if you have no training then you can't be held liable if someone else thinks you screwed up (even if you really didn't)--because you don't know any better. Once you have been trained, you are then held to a certain standard and become a much more viable target for a law suit.



Not that an increased risk of being sued would prevent me from going through a CCW course, or any other firearms training, but it's probably good to keep in mind.



Mike

 

[exfuzz01]

Ignorance of the law is not a defensible argument. That applies to using deadly force or driving a vehicle. It's the responsibility of the individual to know what the law is before doing either one.

 

[BigMo]

Interesting thread, but what about the U. S. Bill of Rights??

Hi folks. I usually don't find myself in the "Towing, Hauling and RV Forum" even though we have a fiver. I was just looking around and, bang, happened upon this thread!



I have a simple question: Whatever happened to our God-given right to self-defense? I believe it is recognized in the United States Constitution's so called "Bill of Rights?"



I am a fervent 2nd Amendment advocate. This thread simply points to the injustice that is prevalent in our nation regarding the complete ignorance and disdain of the wording of the Second Amendment. I am well connected with the law enforcement community and the majority of them feel the same way I do. Only power-hungry politicians and their naive supporters see an advantage in trampling or limiting law-abiding citizens' right to carry a LOADED firearm. Man, I could really launch, but I will resist the urge!



When is our "conservative" Commander in Chief and our new "conservative" Congress going to address this outrage? I'm not going to hold my breath - - but I will continue to carry my weapon - - loaded.



At the very best, an unloaded weapon is no better than a club. At worst, an unloaded weapon will cause more harm to its owner than not having one at all!

 

[clem]

Re: Interesting thread, but what about the U. S. Bill of Rights??

Originally posted by BigMo

Hi folks. I usually don't find myself in the "Towing, Hauling and RV Forum" even though we have a fiver. I was just looking around and, bang, happened upon this thread!



I have a simple question: Whatever happened to our God-given right to self-defense? I believe it is recognized in the United States Constitution's so called "Bill of Rights?"



I am a fervent 2nd Amendment advocate. This thread simply points to the injustice that is prevalent in our nation regarding the complete ignorance and disdain of the wording of the Second Amendment. I am community and the majority of them feel the same way I do. Only power-hungry politicians and their naive supporters see an advantage in trampling or limiting law-abiding citizens' right to carry a LOADED firearm. Man, I could really launch, but I will resist the urge!



When is our "conservative" Commander in Chief and our new "conservative" Congress going to address this outrage? I'm not going to hold my breath - - but I will continue to carry my weapon - - loaded.



At the very best, an unloaded weapon is no better than a club. At worst, an unloaded weapon will cause more harm to its owner than not having one at all!

10-4 That why I have a 357 load with 125grain hollow points

 

[The patriot]

Re: Interesting thread, but what about the U. S. Bill of Rights??

Originally posted by BigMo

Hi folks. I usually don't find myself in the "Towing, Hauling and RV Forum" even though we have a fiver. I was just looking around and, bang, happened upon this thread!



I have a simple question: Whatever happened to our God-given right to self-defense? I believe it is recognized in the United States Constitution's so called "Bill of Rights?"



I am a fervent 2nd Amendment advocate. This thread simply points to the injustice that is prevalent in our nation regarding the complete ignorance and disdain of the wording of the Second Amendment. I am well connected with the law enforcement community and the majority of them feel the same way I do. Only power-hungry politicians and their naive supporters see an advantage in trampling or limiting law-abiding citizens' right to carry a LOADED firearm. Man, I could really launch, but I will resist the urge!



When is our "conservative" Commander in Chief and our new "conservative" Congress going to address this outrage? I'm not going to hold my breath - - but I will continue to carry my weapon - - loaded.



At the very best, an unloaded weapon is no better than a club. At worst, an unloaded weapon will cause more harm to its owner than not having one at all!

Mo, do you have a CCW? If so, you asked fora license so that you could exersize a right. If you had to request a right, is it really a right?

Just thinking out loud.....

Eric

 

[BigMo]

Re: Re: Interesting thread, but what about the U. S. Bill of Rights??

Originally posted by The patriot

Mo, do you have a CCW? If so, you asked fora license so that you could exersize a right. If you had to request a right, is it really a right?

Just thinking out loud.....

Eric

To answer your question Eric, Yes, I have a CCW permit. And, I've had this debate with many others on permitting vs. non-permitting vis-a-vis the Second Amendment. However, the bottom line is this: Every law-abiding citizen should have the right to keep (that is, own) and bear (that is, carry on their person) arms (that would be guns, firearms, weapons, etc. for the uninformed ), provided those citizens are well-regulated (that is, well trained! again for the UNINFORMED!!).



Eric, my sarcasm is NOT directed at you or the other posters here.



It IS directed at those who would parse words to obfuscate the FACT that the supreme law of the land says, and has ALWAYS SAID, that we, the citizens of these 50 states have the God-given right to freedom and, to protect that freedom, the recognized RIGHT to carry guns around.

 

[The patriot]

No sarcasim taken.

Were in agreement here.

EricOo.

 

[scbrown]

Just bought a S&W AirLitePD . 357 Mag.

Nice gun to carry in the front pocket of a pair of Dockers.

And yes I know to only shoot 38 special loads in this gun because of recoil. :--)

I have shot one with . 357 Mag rounds..... Not fun !!

 

[exfuzz01]

To: SCBrown





Instead of . 357 or regular . 38 ammo... try ... ..... 38 + Ps. I think they pack more punch and have less recoil in a small frame revolver.

 

[scbrown]

I will give +P a try this wekend.

I have used them in other guns and they work very well.

Thanks,

Stan

 

[93 1TON]

As I was reading this thread, I thought that I was the only person that was aware of "The Supreme Law of the Land". Bigmo stole my thunder. No matter what those liberal weanies say, we, as able bodied men, between ages 18 to 45, ARE the militia. I rely on what the writers of the constitution had in mind (Federalist papers vs. how judges past or present interpret their ideas). If "congress can make no laws" , than how can these local idiots cococt odinances or codes? I guess as long as we let them, they will invent @#$% to @#$% us. Rich

 

[BigMo]

Originally posted by 93 1TON

As I was reading this thread, I thought that I was the only person that was aware of "The Supreme Law of the Land".

. . . . .

I guess as long as we let them, they will invent @#$% to @#$% us. Rich

Yeah, well, we (the average American citizen) HAVE let them, for about the last 80 years, if my memory serves me right. The only bright light is that there was a quiet revolution that took place about three weeks ago. Praise God, it even took place without a drop of blood. Let's hope this "revolution" continues to gain strength, until those we send to Washington DC finally understand who "We, the People" really are!!



Only if THAT happens will the average citizen have any hope of reclaiming our birthright: Freedom, liberty, and the strength to keep it.

 

[The patriot]

scbrown, and others. These is a 38 special load that's supposed to be a pretty good defensive round.

Federal #P38M.

It's "Premium" line, 125 gr. nyclad hollow point.

I havent been able to locate any latley. Maybe they changes the item number, or discontinued it?

Eric

 

[dewdo]

The most attention getting sounds a person can hear is the sound of a baby crying and a round being chambered in a shotgun.



A couple years ago I took a trip to Alaska. Going across the border I was asked if I had any firearms aboard. I told the Border fellow that I had a pump shotgun. (left the 44 magnum & 38 at home). He then asked me why I was carrying it. I told him I had planned on doing some bird hunting while in Alaska to which he replied: what size shot do you have? I told him I had #4's but I didn't tell him I also had slugs and 00's. He then asked me if I would use it for self protection if I had to. to which I replied: would you if you or your families life was threatened?



He had no more questions, but then told me Canada's gun laws change just about day to day and I should check them before returning to the U. S. with the shotgun. When I came back across the border from Alaska, I told the border person I had a pump shotgun, and I was waved on through with no further questions.



Here in the U. S. I carry the 38 and the 44 mag since we do a lot of remote camping. The 38 on the wife's side and the 44 mag. on my side. I don't carry them in the cab of the truck.



I once had a CCW permit, but never renewed it once it expired. I guess now I am an outlaw.



Dewdo in the other Washington

 

[PHaller]

I often am amused by the fact that on a diesel pick up board we have about 45-1 ratio of gun advocates to non gun advocates.

I am also confused by the statments that if you can't get at it loaded and not locked, it is not much good. Last I looked, any gun should be stored unloaded and locked for security reasons. If you do not, you are responsible for the fire arms unauthorized use.

-Paul R. Haller-

 

[scbrown]

Patriot... ... I use Federal Personal Defense Hydra-Shok. in 38 Special.



Paul R. Haller... ... . An unloaded gun is useless. Any gun that is not on my person is locked in a gun safe. I do have two children that are never around any weapon without my supervision. And I do believe the gun owner, not the manufacturer are solely responsible for what happens with a gun.

I do believe a shot gun is a better home defense weapon but I am not able to secure (child proof) a shotgun and still have quick access to it. I use a quick entry pistol safe at bedside.



SCBrown.



Also be careful not to stereotype diesel truck owners.

I was until a few months ago the proud owner of two BMW's and a minivan. None of which were very good at towing my four wheelers or snowmobiles.

 

[kevincook]

Originally posted by scbrown

Patriot... ... I use Federal Personal Defense Hydra-Shok. in 38 Special.



Paul R. Haller... ... . An unloaded gun is useless. Any gun that is not on my person is locked in a gun safe. I do have two children that are never around any weapon without my supervision. And I do believe the gun owner, not the manufacturer are solely responsible for what happens with a gun.

I do believe a shot gun is a better home defense weapon but I am not able to secure (child proof) a shotgun and still have quick access to it. I use a quick entry pistol safe at bedside.



SCBrown.



Also be careful not to stereotype diesel truck owners.

I was until a few months ago the proud owner of two BMW's and a minivan. None of which were very good at towing my four wheelers or snowmobiles.

I carry a Beretta in 45 ACP. I also use Hydra-shok. My wife use's a Beretta in 40 S&W. Two heads are better than one



KC