H&S dpf delete +xrt

[JMetzger]

I saw a program on the History channel on the trucking industury & several states can now check their smog as they pass through the weigh scales. I don't remember the states but I believe one was TN around Oak Ridge, TN



Jack

 

[HBarlow]

I didn't know that but am not at all surprised. This is the era of the global warming wackos and they are in charge. Sniffers that can detect polution during a driveby are scary. Next they'll be going after the guys with modified non-smog ISB5. 9s that smoke.

Big brother is now in charge and is watching us. They'll probably install cameras all over the country to watch over us before long.

 

[Bob4x4]

I have seen portable set-ups on scaffolding along with a motorhome that was manned at the anaheim hills scales

 

[rono]

Some have had no codes at all. I question that? My 6. 7 is less than 2 years old and 44k mile, and has had over 100 codes cleared. At 13 mpg and code problems I am very disgusted with this truck.



By the way, I never got an answer to a question I ask a long, long time ago; our warranty book says that the DPF is warr. for 50k miles. If it is part of the emissions system, isn't it required by federal requirements to be warr. for 80k?



Ron

 

[EBung]

Wise decision. I am confident that at some time in the next three years you will learn of an event related to auto emissions testing that makes you very glad you resisted the temptation.



I think I read somewhere that the new ISB6. 7 engines have greater ECM capacity and improved ability to detect and record tampering. I haven't had any problems at all with my '08 C&C and don't think you will either but I think it is certain that with Chrysler in financial trouble as they are they will be watching warranty claims even closer than they once did. If a truck with no DPF, no EGR, and shadetree modified emissions wiring or add-on sensors shows up at a dealer with a sooted turbo I wouldn't expect the visit to go well.

Isnt a sooted turbo one of the reasons to get rid of all that crap in the first place?

 

[AHarris]

Some have had no codes at all. I question that? My 6. 7 is less than 2 years old and 44k mile, and has had over 100 codes cleared. At 13 mpg and code problems I am very disgusted with this truck.



By the way, I never got an answer to a question I ask a long, long time ago; our warranty book says that the DPF is warr. for 50k miles. If it is part of the emissions system, isn't it required by federal requirements to be warr. for 80k?



Ron

According to the documentation that came with my truck, the power train (including the DPF and other related emissions components) are warranted for 100K miles.

 

[HBarlow]

You better read that documentation again. The "power train" includes the engine, transmission, and differential(s). Unless you purchased an extended warranty the power train is not warranted for 100k miles.

 

[HBarlow]

Isnt a sooted turbo one of the reasons to get rid of all that crap in the first place?

My point is that removing the emissions equipment is a violation of federal and state laws and will result in an immediate voiding of the truck warranty if some unexpected engine issue should develop.

If you choose to remove yours it is no concern of mine.

 

[mgoncalves]

You may or may not lose warranty status on engine related stuff, just depends on the dealer. The funny part is, most of the problems people are having stems from the dpf and egr, so just by removing them you lessen the risk of needing warranty in the first place.



Why all the fuss about removing the dpf anyways? Guys on the TDR have been pulling cats off their trucks for a long time, this is no different in terms of the "Federal law".

 

[kenny61]

For those not aware of how far the greenies are going here is a NY law concerning global warning stickers... .

§ 19-1103. Vehicle global warming index labels.

1. No model year two thousand ten or subsequent model year motor

vehicle shall be sold in this state unless there is securely and

conspicuously affixed in a clearly visible location, a label on which

the manufacturer shall endorse clearly, distinctly, and legibly true and

correct entries disclosing information concerning the emissions of

global warming gases.

2. Unless alternative labeling is approved by the commissioner

pursuant to section 19-1105 of this title, the label required by

subdivision one of this section shall include:

a. a global warming index that contains quantitative information

presented in a continuous, easy-to-read scale, unless the commissioner

determines, after public hearing, that an alternative graphical

representation will more effectively convey the information to

consumers, and that compares the emissions of global warming gases from

the vehicle with the average projected emissions of global warming gases

from all vehicles of the same model year. For reference purposes, the

index shall also identify the emissions of global warming gases from the

vehicle model of that same model year that has the lowest emissions of

global warming gases; and

b. the use of at least one color ink, as determined by the

commissioner, in addition to black.

3. In order to ensure that the label is useful and informative to

consumers, the commissioner shall, in designing the label and to the

extent feasible within its existing resources:

a. seek input from the commissioner of motor vehicles, automotive

consumers, graphic design professionals, and persons with expertise in

environmental labeling; and

b. consider other relevant label formats consistent with paragraph a

of subdivision two of this section.

4. The index included in the label pursuant to paragraph a of

subdivision two of this section shall be updated as determined necessary

by the commissioner to ensure that the differences in emissions among

vehicles are readily apparent to the consumer.

5. Such label and index included in such label shall, to the largest

extent possible, be consistent with labels and information required by

other states. A label that complies with the requirements of the

California vehicle labeling program shall be deemed to meet the

requirements of this title. An automobile manufacturer may apply to the

commissioner for approval of an alternative to the labeling requirement

that is at least as effective in providing presale notification of the

vehicle's emissions of global warming gases as is the labeling required

by this title.

6. Nothing in this section shall be construed as prohibiting a

purchaser from removing the label required by this section, after such

purchaser has taken possession of the vehicle.

 

[AHarris]

You better read that documentation again. The "power train" includes the engine, transmission, and differential(s). Unless you purchased an extended warranty the power train is not warranted for 100k miles.

Yep, I double checked. According to the warranty information booklet that came with my truck (page 18-19), only the 5. 9 emissions components are covered for 100K miles, and the 6. 7 is 5 years/50K miles under the "federal emissions warranty. " The DPF isn't specifically mentioned, only the rather ambiguous term, "exhaust system (catalysts). " The 100K Cummins warranty does cover the EGR system but I don't see the DPF mentioned!

So it looks like the DPF is only covered for 50K miles.

The transmission and diffs looks like they're under just the normal 3/36 basic warranty.

Thanks for straightening me out on this.

 

[RVTRKN]

And everyone wonders why are auto industry is in ruins? I am good about predictions, I predicted bank failures, property values falling 50%, the stock market, and now I'm going to predict 10+ year prison sentences for removing any device directly related or unrelated emissions within a 5 year period. They will make a law, because they will claim it is hurting the planet, sort of like the beating of an animal. In the language it will be called "Planet abuse", and I'm not joking nor is this intended as a joke.

 

[mgoncalves]

And everyone wonders why are auto industry is in ruins? I am good about predictions, I predicted bank failures, property values falling 50%, the stock market, and now I'm going to predict 10+ year prison sentences for removing any device directly related or unrelated emissions within a 5 year period. They will make a law, because they will claim it is hurting the planet, sort of like the beating of an animal. In the language it will be called "Planet abuse", and I'm not joking nor is this intended as a joke.

I hope and think you're wrong, but the way things are going nothing would surprise me.



To stay somewhat on topic, I'm leaning towards the XRT for my Dodge as well. Seems to be code free for most.

 

[AHarris]

And everyone wonders why are auto industry is in ruins? I am good about predictions, I predicted bank failures, property values falling 50%, the stock market, and now I'm going to predict 10+ year prison sentences for removing any device directly related or unrelated emissions within a 5 year period. They will make a law, because they will claim it is hurting the planet, sort of like the beating of an animal. In the language it will be called "Planet abuse", and I'm not joking nor is this intended as a joke.

You could very well be right on this.



They can only push Americans so far before a civil war breaks out. There are many scientists who have disproved the globull warming BS. I wish they would band together, stand up, and stop this fleecing of America.



And I've got to cower in fear like a little kid for fear of this and not take this emissions choking crap off of my $32K truck because I'm scared of going to jail. This is not what America is supposed to be about!

 

[HBarlow]

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They can only push Americans so far before a civil war breaks out. There are many scientists who have disproved the globull warming BS. I wish they would band together, stand up, and stop this fleecing of America.

And I've got to cower in fear like a little kid for fear of this and not take this emissions choking crap off of my $32K truck because I'm scared of going to jail. This is not what America is supposed to be about!

I agree completely with every line above but the first one.

I'm afraid that too many are happy with the things that are happening and many others have no idea anything is happening.

Unfortunately, approximately 1/2 the American population is completely happy with the rape and destruction of the American Constitution, the economy, the free market system, as well as our customs and traditions. Of that half, an unknown percentage is clueless and unaware, the remainder are fully supportive. I don't think a revolution will occur before it's too late.

 

[JERRYDODGE]

Do we not see, this is what the American people wanted? Wait until we have to give up our trucks to the people who can't afford them...

 

[EBung]

Just the tip of the ice burg. The Elitists have much more in store trust me. Look up Bilderberg it will open your eyes. Jessie Ventura summed it up perfectly "politics is like professional wrestling, the dems and the repubs put on a big show like they hate each other and each have their own agenda but at the end of the day they go to dinner together payed for by the manager they share".

 

[hwebster]

Keeping to the subject, I dropped my dpf and cat, added a BADP Gen2 and Edge insight. I still throw codes regularly usually 2000, 2080, 2084. It is a pain in the A##. However, I get better mileage, Don't see my oil in the crankcase creeping up the stick and my EGT rise as I pour fuel into the exhaust cycle to clean the DPF.
(Regen MPG usually below 12 MPG. )

if thats the best the engineers can do. . time to go back to school...

Of Course I have all my components and can go back to stock, but since I have no warranty. . thats unlikely. . Now for the Egr

 

[Cattletrkr]

My DPF was replaced compliments of chrysler at 65K. Actual mileage was shown on the work order so I don't think the dealer pulled a fast one of Chrysler.

When I sell my truck I will have a 2 day old DPF to use as a bargaining chip...