HARBOR FREIGHT JACK STAND RECALL

[TFucili]

Interesting. Foreign ownership, but they appear to have maintained at least some production here. They own some known brands, too. Been around quite a while, so at least it is not a pump-and-dump operation.

 

[Cummins12V98]

whoa now $711?? ...those are just a trifle expensive, eh??

One will support 20,000 pounds.

 

[Cummins12V98]

Very confusing. are those stands USA made or not? They don’t admit to having a factory here.

http://heinwerner-automotive.com/AboutUs/AboutShinnfu/

also, a floor jack at my job.

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Your floor jack looks like my US Made NAPA unit. I am sure they are made by the same people and put your label on to sell. Just like batteries.

 

[Cummins12V98]

"Hein-Warner is the new name of the Lincoln line. When Lincoln sold off
the line in the late 90's a Chinese company took over. A few years later
this company brought back the Hein-Warner name BUT they also started the
old plant in the US up to make them. The old plant in question, Lincoln...

So what you have now is a Lincoln design jack with a Hein-Warner name on
it, made in the US."

 

[Timd32]

One will support 20,000 pounds.

Typically I'm familiar with the pair is how they are rated. Rating appears to be 2 jack stands per rating label.

 

[seafish]

One will support 20,000 pounds.

FYI--Likely it is a PAIR of them that will support the full rating of 10 tons !!!

BTW, I am NOT saying you shouldn't buy them if you want and/or need them and can afford them...they DO look awfully nice and also likely have more height extension then the ones I run.

BUT the pin type snap on version I useare rated for even more but cost not even half as much.
Of course I am sure that they are also "Hecho in China".

And while I DO like to support US manufacturers the more US workers, I also realize that the QC of products coming out of China depends extensively on the commitments that the contracting company has made to its products, NOT necessarily simply by the country of manufacture.

And to get back to the original topic of this thread, obviously QC at Harbor Freight sucks, which is not necessarily the case for other companies that use China located manufacturing for thier products.

... even our beloved Cummins has manufacturing plants in China and many other locations around the world in order to take advantage of lower production costs while still maintain extensive QC.

http://www.enginecummins.com/cummins-in-china.html

https://www.4btengines.com/manufacturing-locations/

 

[Cummins12V98]

Guess I learned something! I "assumed" that's what they each were rated for.

 

[brods]

The Gray 10 ton stand says it is 10 tons each and the pair weigh 70 lbs. The Hein Warner 6 tons is per pair, but if you look at the label on the 6 ton stand it doesn't clearly state it is per pair. Typical of BS marketing and a good reason to doubt any claims that company makes.

Thanks for the PSA Timd32. One of my son's high school classmates was killed when a car he was working on fell on him.

The TRUEST part of the article--

"Ratcheting stands tend to be more convenient, but selecting a pair of stands which use pin and hole, or pin through, technology will give you the highest safety rating."

IMHO, for lighter and smaller vehicles, a quality pair of ratcheting stands are probably fine...that said, WHY mess around with anything but pin type jack stands with the weight of our beloved and mighyty Cummins overhead??

X10. Unfortunately any mass produced jack stand is going to be made just strong enough to save on manufacturing costs. And it may use less than ideal manufacturing processes (like look at the crappy production mig welds in some of the pictures). That's why its best to buy much higher capacity stands than you need for that extra safety factor.


$711 for simple jack stands I hope that was for a set of four since the shipping weight is listed at 151 lbs and the spec's say 70 lbs per pair. Still a bit pricey at $178 each! Maybe I should start selling these all steel ones that I made some 30 odd years ago.

 

[Timd32]

The Gray 10 ton stand says it is 10 tons each and the pair weigh 70 lbs. The Hein Warner 6 tons is per pair, but if you look at the label on the 6 ton stand it doesn't clearly state it is per pair. Typical of BS marketing and a good reason to doubt any claims that company makes.

Thanks for correcting that rating info.

Yeah at $711 this is more of a Gov't purchase price. When you search Google and Grainger is one of the lower prices on anything you know the markup is huge.

Keep an eye out on Auction sites for these, would be a good pick up.

I'm sure they have some decent off list $ multipliers for large users.

Its like buying one of the 2nd Gen starters on line for close to $500, when new ones from Cummins are closer to $300.

 

[Cummins12V98]

Hein-Werner Jack Stands

Operating Instructions & Parts Manual

Model Number HW93506

Capacity per pair 6 Ton

Assembled in the US with US and Global Components

Don't click image, nothing there!

 

[JR]

Interesting tidbit I found the other day.

Safety Standard for Portable Automotive Service Equipment states that jack stands must be rated as a pair and not rated per stand. This became effective in late December of 2015. It also states: “Maximum load capacity per matched pair shall not exceed the rated capacity of the individual stand”.

Separate from that, test standards require that each jack stand must be able to pass a proof load test of 200% of rated capacity for a minimum of ten minutes, with no more than 0.125” reduction in overall height of the jack stand. This is measured after removal of the load. This is actually a separate testing requirement from the rating standard as a pair.

This was quoted from a website , I
tried looking up ASME PASE standard and was politely told I needed $170 to view....uh...no thank you.



Also came across this regarding Hein Warner. I don't know if it's true but if it is it's quite misleading on their end.

the jack stand base is made overseas and the cast iron support post is made in the U.S. The base is then shipped to the Hein-Werner factory in the U.S. where the jack stand is assembled (insert post in base) and boxed at the Hein-Werner factory and gets the aforementioned labeling.

https://allgaragefloors.com/best-jack-stands/

 

[Cummins12V98]

^^^^^ that sucks!

 

[Timd32]

Interesting tidbit I found the other day.



This was quoted from a website , I
tried looking up ASME PASE standard and was politely told I needed $170 to view....uh...no thank you.



Also came across this regarding Hein Warner. I don't know if it's true but if it is it's quite misleading on their end.





https://allgaragefloors.com/best-jack-stands/

All these standard companies are for profit, its pay to play deal. They are for sure not a impartial 3rd party looking out for our personal best interests.

ANSI, UL, ASME, NEMA, SAE keep going and you will find the same crap, all these standards should have a free abstract of the basics, they in most cases do not.

The fees I have paid for my UL listing via ETL supervised by Intertek is insane. But we require the damn little sticker so is what it is.

The 7T Gray are insane rating as a pair.....

They do list them that way as well for the Gray.

 

[brods]

Interesting tidbit I found the other day.

Safety Standard for Portable Automotive Service Equipment states that jack stands must be rated as a pair and not rated per stand. This became effective in late December of 2015. It also states: “Maximum load capacity per matched pair shall not exceed the rated capacity of the individual stand”.

Separate from that, test standards require that each jack stand must be able to pass a proof load test of 200% of rated capacity for a minimum of ten minutes, with no more than 0.125” reduction in overall height of the jack stand. This is measured after removal of the load. This is actually a separate testing requirement from the rating standard as a pair.

.......

Good find. ASME PASE or PALD? Clear as mud. So if a stand meets the current ASME standard then each stand cannot have a lower individual rating than the rating for the pair. And each stand has to hold twice its rated load for 10 minutes without major deformation. So in theory each stand has a minimum of a 2 to 1 safety factor at the full load that the pair is rated for. I read somewhere that ANSI was lower at 1.5 per stand, but couldn’t confirm if that was in the past or if it is still true today.

Rating by the pair seems dumb, but I guess they cover their butts by requiring each stand to be able to take the whole load the pair is rated for. I often use one stand under the axle when pulling a wheel to work on brakes or whatever. Imo it is safer to have three tires on the ground and a jack stand holding up the axle corner I’m working on than to put another stand under the axle.

All these standard companies are for profit, its pay to play deal. They are for sure not a impartial 3rd party looking out for our personal best interests.

ANSI, UL, ASME, NEMA, SAE keep going and you will find the same crap, all these standards should have a free abstract of the basics, they in most cases do not.

The fees I have paid for my UL listing via ETL supervised by Intertek is insane. But we require the damn little sticker so is what it is.

The 7T Gray are insane rating as a pair.....

They do list them that way as well for the Gray.

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If they want to claim adherence to the ASME standard, then the proper capacity for the pair is 14,000 lbs (7 tons). Each stand would then have to be good for at least 14,000 lbs by itself. From what you posted each stand is good for 15,435 lbs and would have had to pass the 10 minute test supporting 30,870 lbs.

Grainger lists the pin style Gray’s 10 ton for over $700 per pair! https://www.grainger.com/product/GRAY-14-x-14-Pin-Style-Vehicle-11N150? $350 + for a jack stand is crazy expensive. $100 for the stand, $100 profit and $150 for the liability insurance?



The one ASME document I came across had reference to an off center load test, but that was only at 100%. Some of the designs would be more tolerant of off center or side loading than others, it’s a shame they didn’t devise a better way to test that. I’d love to see all the different stands out there tested to failure. I can’t imagine that any of the cheap stands that were sold in auto stores back in the day (made from thin wall round tubing split into three splayed legs) would pass any test.

It was surprising to see how many different styles of jack stands there are now. But with most vehicles going to unibodies there aren’t many good places to use a traditional jack stand anymore. Here is an interesting solution for that:

 

[Cummins12V98]

I have lot's of chunks of glue-lams that I place under my rigs for backup!

 

[DHayden]

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[DHayden]

Kind of nifty

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[BillBaker]

Is receipt needed for the return of these stands?... or show up with stands and hand them over...

 

[MarkEagleUSA]

Is receipt needed for the return of these stands?... or show up with stands and hand them over...

Just bring them in. Just returned a set on Monday. Gave me a gift card for 39.97 + tax. Of course, they had no new stock in the store. As a matter of fact, the store was sparsely stocked. The clerk said they're very backlogged at the distribution centers.