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I have a 1998 2500 4wd club cab. I have been towing a fifth wheel for a year now with no problems. Last week my neighbor ( the guy with the drw 2500) tolled me that I was over loaded. We sat down and ran the numbers.
Empty truck weight 7240
Trailer weight 9900
Pin weight 1980
combo weight trailer
and truck 17140
My combo weight is under the 18000 in the manual. The trailer weight is under the 11400 max weight in the manual. The weight on the rear axle is under the max weight limit of 6084. The front axle is under the max load limit of 4850. So everything looked good to me. Till we figured out the GVWR for the truck loaded which was 9220. So it looks like Im 420 over GVRW.
While towing is the GVWR still in play?
 
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Have you had your truck and trailer on a CAT scale or where are you getting your #'s? If you haven't scaled your combo, please do so and take a look at your true #'s.
 
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I have a 1998 2500 4wd club cab. I have been towing a fifth wheel for a year now with no problems. Last week my neighbor ( the guy with the drw 2500) tolled me that I was over loaded. We sat down and ran the numbers.
Empty truck weight 7240
Trailer weight 9900
Pin weight 1980
combo weight trailer
and truck 17140
My combo weight is under the 18000 in the manual. The trailer weight is under the 11400 max weight in the manual. The weight on the rear axle is under the max weight limit of 6084. The front axle is under the max load limit of 4850. So everything looked good to me. Till we figured out the GVWR for the truck loaded which was 9220. So it looks like Im 420 over GVRW.
While towing is the GVWR still in play?

Completely irrelevant! Add tonnage if needed and carry on.
 
GVWR is for classification purposes.

My drw is class 3 at 14k GVWR. This is an imposed number to keep it out of commercial territory and to avoid big licensing and insurance costs.

My RAWR is 9,750# and it’s loaded to that. If I add my UNLOADED front axle weight of 5,300# how can I stay at or under my 14k rating???????
 
Does your neighbor have nothing better to do? You're not only good but your setup is probably the closest I've heard of to being perfect. :)
 
Up here (BC) the numbers on the door decal are hard limits. Should you end up in a CVSE (Commercial Vehicle Safety & Enforcement) road check you can't exceed the GVWR, GAWR, tire rating or rim rating. My truck is level and rides fine at the GVWR so I don't worry about it.
 
Well here is what I got. looks like the truck scale near me was off. So go for it or replace it with a 3500?

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I wish my weight numbers were that good... Again, you're way over thinking this and I'd move away from your neighbor before spending the money to replace your truck.

That said, if you feel that your truck is not handling the trailer adequately then that would be a good enough reason to either get a bigger truck or get a smaller trailer.

The forums weight police will always preach to you all kinds of instructions which may or may not be accurate, because what you can or cant do is dependent on where you live and what kind of license you have. Check with your DMV or highway patrol office to see what they have to say.

And dont take anyone's legal advice on a forum. Log in over at rv.com and you'll see what I mean... Those old goats on that forum verbally yell at anyone through their computer screen who isnt driving a dually.
 
I have to say for me it would not be a problem you are well under the axle ratings, and assuming you are running load range e tires well under that rating as well. A few hundred pounds over GVWR yes but IIRC that gen of truck the 2500 and 3500 were identical in almost every way except for the dually tires on the 3500 unless yours is an auto then you would have the D70 axle instead of the D80 on the rear, but you are well under your axle rating so I would not worry about it. Though as Katoom said unless you feel the truck doesn't handle adequately I would carry on.
 
I do have a automatic trans. It was built by ATS, it has their Triple lock torque converter in it. The rear diff is a D70. The tires were up graded to 17" Michelin LTX 265/70 17 E range. The load cap for them is 3195 ea. It looks level going down the road and handles just fine. Just a little concerned if a something was to happen how the legal end of things would come out.

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Just a little concerned if a something was to happen how the legal end of things would come out.

That's the big question - and of course you won't know until something happens. Using the scale weight of the sum of the truck axles (9,480 lbs) and assuming the truck's GVWR is 8,800 lbs would put you at 107.7 per cent of GVWR - for what it's worth.

I am sure that there are thousands of others who drive rigs that weigh much more than the assigned maximum weight ratings of axles, vehicles , or combined vehicles.

- John
 
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While towing is the GVWR still in play?

Yes. You have 2 choices: knowingly ignoring it and hope no one causes a wreck or fix it. Overloaded is not without significant risk.

Can you move ~420 lbs from the truck to the trailer or rearrange ~420# (~680 second scale) to the rear of the trailer to drop the pin weight? A spare tire on the truck is almost half the weight you need to loose. Move trailer axles forward? Different and lighter RV? (And good luck with that as RV makers are bordering on starting to make doublewides for big RV's.) Moving weight in the trailer is a lever action so 200# can remove 400# from the pin depending on how far forward it was and how far back vs. the trailer axle the weight moved.

So with a full fuel tank you need a weight sticker showing you within limits should it ever come up in the future.

... and that wreck becomes your fault no matter what because you were overloaded. (Whatever: texting, doing their makeup, drunk and high and still your fault.) Ask your insurance company if a overloaded situation is a way they would decline coverage. It doesn't matter if the truck can or can not "handle it" the hard number on the door and liability suggest you stick to the official numbers. Axel ratings are an excuse to overload the vehicle and that's not going to keep your home yours when the jury is looking at the dead or injured from a wreck. Websites suggesting axle ratings and ignore other numbers excuses to overload 'something' for a truck camper are going away. (Bankruptcy can only save so much.)

I have not found a company that will change the weight rating on the door sticker no matter what is done to the pickup. "Commercial" ... Go ahead and price "Commercial Insurance" that will cover you for minimum $1 million and supposedly any weight you want to tag it for.

Case in point is "Arizona's Stupid Law" written to make "the stupid" pay for their own rescue after their vehicle gets washed away attempting to cross a flooded wash. It also lets insurance companies off the hook for your own negligence for things like not wearing a seat belt. That injury could have been avoided if you wore a seat belt - specific injury not covered. Yes, overloaded is driver negligence.

So ask your attorney and insurance company if this overload is defensible because when push comes to shove they are your defense. I asked my attorney and he quoted me a overloaded GN trailer case that the insurance company walked away from. Totaled truck and trailer (six figure loss) and luck: no dead or injured bodies. Yeah, they didn't "get away with it (overloaded)"
 
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Someone PLEASE show me where someone has been sued over being over their GVWR. Add tonnage.

Sorting through the ambulance chaser attorney websites that use the term "overloaded" and "RV"... yeah they know about it... Just saying the info is out there to be considered as one evaluates the risk of being overloaded. Because at the end of the day it is the driver's responsibility and the willfully ignorant RV Dealer who cheerfully ignores the ratings of your equipment to make the sale is merely an accessory to the lawsuit that names the driver first.

We can start here and it's not just limited to GVWR. Further not just sued, but, sued and lost badly:



https://www.hardworkingtrucks.com/i...kups-costing-businesses-millions-in-lawsuits/

PICKUP TRAILER ACCIDENT LAWSUIT SETTLEMENTS
1. DeHoyos v. Millennium Resources, LP. (Reagan County, Texas, 2007)

An employee of man Millennium Resources was driving a company pickup truck towing 7,600 pounds of drilling pipe in the course and scope of his employment. The trailer began swaying and he was unable to stop. He lost control of the trailer and the truck overturned, killing the driver.

The driver’s family then sued the company that he worked for, Millennium Resources. The Plaintifs alleged that the company loaded the driver’s trailer with too much weight and that they did not instruct him in the proper way to load the trailer. The case settled out of court for $945,000.

2. Martinez v. Wade (Ellis County, Texas 2008)

A man was driving a pickup truck in the course and scope of his business with Celadon Trucking. He changed lanes but was unable to pull his trailer back into his lane in a timely manner. His vehicle collided with another vehicle operated by two other individuals who were badly injured and sued the driver and his company.

The jury found that the pickup truck and trailer were not properly equipped to carry the load. The jury awarded the Plaintiffs $1.3 Million and found the Defendant to be grossly negligent.

3. Burkhart v. Loftin and Dacon (Harris County, Texas, 2010)

A lady was driving next to a truck whose trailer was loaded improperly. The truck / trailer was owned and operated by Infrasource Dacon, LLC. The trailer hit a bump and part of the trailer’s load came loose. A 300-pound insulator rolled onto the lady’s vehicle. She was injured and the jury awarded her $290,000.

4. Kaiser v. Down to Earth Landscaping, Inc. (Ocean County, New Jersey, 2011)

A landscaping company’s trailer de-coupled from the truck towing it due to a faulty trailer hitch and other safety cables and precautions. The trailer then collided with a 58-year old woman and did substantial medical damage. The jury awarded $2.7 million.

5. Perry v. Diffee Ford Lincoln Mercury (Colorado State Court, 2009)

Truck was hauling a trailer that was too heavy and on improper tires. The trailer came loose and killed a man in oncoming traffic. The man’s family sued the truck / trailer company and recovered $2.25 million.

6. Dearybury v. Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission (Florida 2013)

An FWCC employee was trailering a 31-foot boat in the Florida Keys behind an SUV when the driver lost control and hit an oncoming vehicle head-on. The Florida Highway Patrol found the combined weight of the boat and trailer totaled 10,420 lbs., while the maximum towing capacity for the trailer hitch was 6,000 lbs. The maximum towing capacity for the FWCC vehicle itself was only 8,000 lbs.

The FHP conceded the negligent operation of the FWCC truck caused this collision which saw the death of two innocent people. The jury awarded one of the victims $1.3 million. More lawsuits related to this accident are still pending.



Here is another article where RV's are starting to come to the attention of NHTSA.

http://www.safetyresearch.net/blog/articles/bus-crash-litigation-and-surprising-result-part-i

NHTSA has tried to address the dangers in Class A motorhomes and 15 passenger vans. In 2008, the agency responded to a series of tire and weight-related RV investigations and recalls with an amendment to Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard 110 Tire Selection and Rims requiring motorhome manufacturers to affix in a prominent place labels showing the weight of the fully loaded vehicle, including water, the occupants and cargo and the seating capacity of the vehicle based on the number of seat belts.


Part 2:

http://www.safetyresearch.net/blog/articles/bus-crash-litigation-and-surprising-result-part-ii
 
Non of those cases apply to the OP question or situation... The OP doesn't have a business tied to the vehicle which any sue happy person would quickly go after, he's not driving for a company, the OP truck axles or tires are not overloaded, the OP trailer or tires are not overloaded, and no one is talking about faulty equipment.

Anyone can sue anyone with a story and a filing fee, so if you think your safe from litigation in an accident...you're mistaken.
 
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