Heavy hauling????

[WBlackburn]

I want to bring a 4520 John Deer Tractor from Kirksville MO. to home here in Colorado. The old tractor weighs in at 14,500 + a loader. This along with the goose neck weighing in at 6 K put me up around 20-21 K. Is this too much for the 01, H. O. 6 speed 4x4 2500. . It appears to me I would be way past what I should do with the 2500. What you boys think?????



Any one coming to Colorado that might have a rig that would handle this.

 

[fbaurley]

You should be able to pull it , but stopping would be a concern. does your truck have the camper special pacakage. it would help out some. My biggest fear would be travelling across state lines with such a big load. the DOT could really nab you if they wanted to. There is also some debate, about needing dot #s for out of state transport of anything over 10000 lbs. Id check your state and FED Dot regulations. I have seen a lot of people haul tractors that size with a 3/4 or 1 ton truck, but not across 4 or 5 states, just 30 or 40 miles from an auction or to a tractor pull.

 

[jerryrigg]

I've pulled in excess of 25K lbs with my 3500 over 2000 miles with no problems. .

Our engines will pull just about anything... the question is will the tires, axle, brakes do the job...



Axle / Tires > you will need to do a balancing act at the scales to ensure the tractor is positioned on the trailer where the axle and tires are not overloaded or you may have an expensive roadside assistance bill but remember you still need enough weight over the bed to reduce fishtailing the trailer... . I'd be hesitant to pull that load that far without duallys... but if you reduce your speed you will add a margin of safety



Brakes > Engine Brake??? Makes a big difference with big loads...

does the trailer have brakes on all the axles??? Are the brakes new or do they have 65K on them... again reduce speed helps



Regs & DOT > I won't BS you I don't know all the laws but real of thumb... If it looks overloaded or acts overloaded be ready to pay some fines... . But considering the cargo is a tractor if you 2 lane it through Kansas instead of the 70 you most likely won't have a problem... I just crossed the 70 a few weeks ago and Kansas Patrol was working hard, so was DOT

 

[Ray Torresdal]

weight

I'm not usually too squeamish about running heavy, but you may be pushing your luck. Your 14,500 plus trailer @6,000 plus truck @7000 gets you up toward 28,000. Your trailer better have triple axles, super singles, or be a dually, or you will have several trailer tires to replace enroute. I don't think there is any question that your truck will pull the load fine, tires and braking are the question. If your trailer is a dually, then braking is the question, as you can move the tractor back on the trailer and put more weight on the trailer axles. Farmers can get by with lots of things the general populace can't . . . Good luck!



Ray

 

[CumminsPuller]

Just my $.02 worth.......

I am liscensed for 36,000lbs... . yes this is considered overloaded for our dodges. I have dual tandem axles. My trailer weighs in at 8000lbs. They are an E-rated tire. In the year and a half I have been towing my trailer I have never had a flat on them. The most I have carried was a 29,000k load on my trailer. Totaling 37,000k behind my truck. Adding in my truck that put me at 44,000k. But I often, in fact regularly tow around 30,000. And doing all this with a stock auto transmission. I never tow, unless empty, in OD. I keep it locked out and cruise at 65mph at 2500 rpm. Driving smart and carefully has kept me with a perfect driving record. I have never had a problem with DOT and my weight. I am not advocating everyone do this. They did stop me one time at the scales and had me come in and check to see what I was licsensed for. I pulled it out and showed them 36,000k. He said OK, and showed me my weigh ticket. I weighed in at 34,600k. He said just be careful.



Jason

 

[Whitmore]

As stated above the placement of the tractor on the trailer is key. When I tow my backhoe on a tandem duelly I weigh in at 30,600 gross but all axels are legal, I pull the hoe on till I reach max on my drivers. I do exceed the GVW but I never get checked . Make sure you have trailer brakes or you will loose in the end if you need to stop in a hurry, I also have a Jacobs brake and it is manditory in my book.



cheers, Kevin

 

[J DeMaio]

With the trailer weighing 3 tons it's probably a triple or dual tandem axle. I'd do what others say. Change fluids, take extra fluids with you, spare tires, etc. I'd put the center of the rear tractor tires right between the two or the center axle ( on a tri) on the trailer. I prolly wouldn't tow in od or go down the interstate the whole way. With my ole 1992, I used to pull my 4020 which weighed ~12,000 pounds, my truck weighed 7000 pounds, and I used a Moritz flatbed gooseneck with a GVW of 14000#. I'd only go 30-40 miles to tractor pulls though.



I'd tow it, just be safe!



John

 

[CumminsPuller]

DITTO:--)



It can be done..... Just be safe and careful



Jason

 

[QRTRHRS]

Map out your route and find out if there are any active scales and when they are active. Do your moving at night or on the weekend when DOT is less active. A piece of equipment with a tarp over it is not all that unusual around my area. A tarp can cover up a lot.

 

[WBlackburn]

Thnks

Originally posted by QRTRHRS

Map out your route and find out if there are any active scales and when they are active. Do your moving at night or on the weekend when DOT is less active. A piece of equipment with a tarp over it is not all that unusual around my area. A tarp can cover up a lot.

Thanks everyone. Seems like a lot of hassel!!!! Proably will get someone that has the proper equipment>>>>>>

 

[bmoeller]

I have a laminated Motor Carriers atlas. It shows the scales, even the ones that have been torn down, or no longer used.



Depending if they are used in your area, sometimes you have to what out for portables. They can set them up anywhere they want (they love grain haulers )

 

[QRTRHRS]

Originally posted by bmoeller

Depending if they are used in your area, sometimes you have to what out for portables. They can set them up anywhere they want (they love grain haulers )

I used to work for this outfit with single axle one stacks and tri-axle trailers. They were good for getting around NYC. Anyway, I got weighed with the portables and for some reason, the deep reduction switch would not work so first gear was too high. I spun the scale out from under the axle. I had always heard that would break them but it did not. They let me (told me) to have another go until I got on it.

 

[bmoeller]

I've never done that (yet). One of the Mack CH's that my boss has, has only a 5-spd (T2050 Maxi-torque) transmission and no aux. splitter :{ . Only nice thing with it is that it is a triple- countershaft transmission. Without a granny gear, it's like starting out in 2nd or 3rd gear in a 9 or 13 spd. , so portables can be a real PITA. Even with 5. 13 gears, it is too fast in 1st. and R.