hecho de Mexico??!!

[Grizzly]

Hey!!! [Edited out direct insult]. I'm sick of using "racist" acusations all the time when they don't have point to make in an argument or a topic!



So the guy wants to know where the products are build and wants OUR COUNTRY. And on him with that bogust "racist" remark ...

[Edited out direct insult].



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Robin

TDR Admin

05. 02. 06

 

[MBergman]

A while back, I read an article about the DCX assembly plants in Mexico. Beause of a lack of resources (i. e. water) near the plants, 100% of the paint shop waste is recycled. The water is reused, and the junk that gets filtered out of it, is used in other parts.



Marc

 

[CDonaldson]

I think that just about everything now a days should be labeled "parts from all over the place" and assembled IN . . . Truly difficult to find things that are completely Made in the US. Shame but true. When I was a kid, everything was made in America. I remember when the early Japanese products entered the US markets. I remember how people put them down. It was not long before the Japanese products were a force to be reconed with by the American products - and that was about quality not quantity, and also not about the costs of labor and materials.



On another note, my truck was assembled in Mexico with whatever from wherever. I can honestly say that as I have looked over it from top to bottom, the workmanship is of top quality. The robots spot welds are symmetrically perfect. Interesting that all the clamps are turned the same way too on all the hoses, in fact the spacing from the clamp to the end of the hoses are the same. I do not see a wrench mark one on all the bolt heads, in fact all the bolts apear to be there along with washers and nuts too. Now you might think I am being sarcastic here, but in actuality I am not. I have owned many vehicles during the course of 35+ years, mostly Fords, and I cannot tell you how many bolts, washers and nuts were missing - right out of the dealers lots. I have seen many nuts cross-threaded and not driven completely onto the bolts. Sounds like a petty, stupid thing to remark about, yet, this is what I have encountered.



Here in America our workers have many things that protect them in their jobs, the jokes about Monday cars, Friday cars, and lemon cars - well, nothing to joke about as there are statistics to prove these things out. In Mexico, the workers only have their workmanship skills to keep them in their jobs. They have just as many unemployed people waiting in line for their jobs as our workers, the only difference is that one minor screwup and someone DOES get their job. They work on a 4-crew rotation in Mexico, their assembly lines go 24-7. No such thing as a Monday car, Friday car, or lemon car as a result of their workmanship, holiday plans, weekend plans. The lemon statistics dropped dramatically after manufacturing/assembly began in Mexico. There are many discussions about this in the journals of auto manufacturing. Also in those very same journals are discussions about the parts made in America that go into the assembly of these vehicles. Their statistics are as poor as always while parts from elsewhere seem to have better performance.



I worked many years in the aerospace industry in a manufacturing plant. I can tell you that the PRIDE in production workers declined year after year, while the pay and benefits did not. Usually these upward things are given as direct bonuses for a job well done and deserved. I have several friends who work in the auto industry currently, and they are always talking about the PRIDE and WORKMANSHIP issues. Much of what I am talking about here is the big reason that the American markets are in trouble. It is not all about a foreign market taking away the business as has been the hype of the current industry leaders. Competition should have brought prices down, yet that has not been the case regarding the automotive industry. Brand loyalty used to be what spurred a thriving auto market. Today, people want a reliable vehicle, want their money's worth, want ammenities - creature comforts, convenience, durability, etc. The foreign marketers know how important this stuff is - they work hard to see it is part of their every design.



I have only had my truck for about 3 months, I am very pleased with it, in fact I truly love it. I can say that it is a quality vehicle. I have had a code issue, but so has everyone else, computer glitch. I can say the same about the computer I am using right now, a glitch here and there. My truck will be serviced right here in the US and I am in hopes that the dealership and it's employees that will be maintaining my truck are of the mindset regarding quality as were the guys who put it together.



CD

 

[Tomeygun]

I don't think it's the paint or the environment that's better in Mexico.

I had heard that paint used on the truck make in MX was oil based.

Paint used in the US is water based due to EPA... .



A couple senior reps of dodge told me the oil based paint is better.



Then again, I could be mis-informed

 

[JRMora]

I had heard that paint used on the truck make in MX was oil based.

Paint used in the US is water based due to EPA... .



A couple senior reps of dodge told me the oil based paint is better.



Then again, I could be mis-informed

OK, I'll toss in my 10 cents worth here ( 5 x $. 02)



I have worked in manufacturing (aerospace to industrial to consumer products and back to aerospace) for the last 20+ years. I have worked internationally (UK, Canada, Mexico), and have started production facilities in Mexico and the US. First of all, the environmental laws in most of the free trade zone (i. e. Maquiladoras) are as strict as California these days. There are violators (and still a little corruption), but the Mexican government is really trying to clean up their country.



Secondly, there will not be an escape from the global economy anymore because there is so much foreign ownership in american companies these days. The reverse is also true. And it's not always a bad thing. Ford owns Volvo, and with that company, they have been able to leverage a lot of Volvo's safety initiatives into the Ford brand label. Safer cars are bad? Daimler (Benz) has provided a lot of parts to the Dodge and Chrysler brands (i. e. the Crossfire). Does anyone doubt the quality and craftsmanship of Mercedes? Who here remembers the Taurus SHO? For it's time, it was a pretty amazing car. The engine was designed by Yamaha, and built by Mercury Marine.



I am currently working for a small aircraft manufacturer here in the US. We are a wholely owned American company. Our supplier's are in countries like Japan, Canada, the UK, Italy, France, Spain, Chile, and the US. Many of our suppliers are partnering with us as our production ramp increases to build alongside our factory (a la the Japanese). Now if a Japanese company employs americans to build parts in the USA, is it still a Japanese company? Yes, but the americans still benefit from jobs, tax base, the supplier economy improves, but what about local housing, food, and shopping. They also see benefit. There are many americans working abroad (ex-pats) who are earning american salaries, but are living and spending money in foreign economies.



If we become strict isolationists, I fear our own economy will unravel, too.



So, back to the orginal statement, it's really more important, IMHO, that we pay attention to the things (all the things) that benefit us as a country, and not get too hung up on labels.



BTW, I really love my cummins...



Juan

 

[KellyClark]

Thanks guys for all the great information. I didn't mean to start a geopolitical/world economics thread, but I should have known that Dodge owners would ferociously defend their trucks The world needs all kinds of people.



But just so we're clear-the Cummins engine used in 3rd gen trucks is definitely manufactured (castings and all) in the USA right? Are some of them made elsewhere?



I'm going to post the same question about the Power Stroke on the FTE forum. I've heard they're built here, but who knows?

 

[JRG]

When you do, post a link so we can "peek in".



. . CDonaldson..... &..... JRMora... ... ... ... Great posts!!!



JRG

 

[zstroken]

I know for the longest time all of the parts that we made for a mexican assembly plant held tighter tolerances to ease the assembly. This also probably made for the chance of less error.

 

[Grizzly]

Please DON'T play the race card. That is getting SO old.



There is nothing wrong with having pride/preference for a product made here at home. Unfortunately, none of the Big 3 can say that an order won't be fulfilled by a factory in Mexico...

I don't like doing that any more then you would, but it had to be done. You mention pride and preference. Pride is something that has been lacking in our auto industry for many years. I can remember when I was a kid that a label on a GM car that said, "Body By Fisher", really meant something. I felt the PRIDE in that. Then in the 70's, 80's and 90's the "Body By Fisher" disappeared and so did the pride. I always had a GM or Ford, but I had so many problems with them that one day I purchased a Honda Accord. Wow, you talk about quality, I've never looked back. Since then I have had several Toyota's and every one made in America, Georgetown, Kentucky. I'm on my second Dodge truck made in Mexico. I couldn't be Prouder of my Dodge truck and my Toyota Avalon and they are my preference. My 95 Dodge was such a great truck that when I ordered my 05 Dodge, I told the dealer, that if this truck was not made in Mexico, I didn't want it.

I agree with CDonaldson and RJMora. Good posts guys.

 

[DJennings]

Hey!!! [Edited out direct insult of another TDR Member. ] I'm sick of idiots using "racist" acusations all the time when they don't have point to make in an argument or a topic!



So the guy wants to know where the products are build and wants to support OUR COUNTRY. And you jump on him with that bogust "racist" remark ... your an IDIOT!

I shouldn't even post this because it is not at all relevant to the thread, but I can't resist.



I have some advice [edited out TDR Member name].



1. If you are going to call a guy names, especially "an idiot", make sure you do so using coherent sentences and proper spelling. Your post was no more relevant to the topic than [edited out TDR Member name].



2. I happen to agree, that there was nothing racist about KellyClark's post, and I say more power to him for trying to build a truck that is truly made in the USA.



3. In the next 3-5 years there are going to be a lot of trucks/cars/SUV's out with diesel and hybrid options. Many of those diesel motors are European and Japanese. DC will be using Benz manufactured diesels. Honda is developing it's own motor for their cars/trucks. Nissan is reportedly going to put out a HD version of the Titan with a diesel.



4. I see these emotional responses way more on this site than other sites I am a member of. We all need to read the post (this or any other post) and answer the question asked if we can. The question was quite clear. Is the Cummins or any of it's components made in Mexico?





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Robin

TDR Admin

05. 02. 06

 

[BRayls]

I know for the longest time all of the parts that we made for a mexican assembly plant held tighter tolerances to ease the assembly. This also probably made for the chance of less error.

they would ship parts back here to run they would not run there. I have been told to do so. the comment about canadians, well they like a nice living standard there as well, chances of the company taking work there to save money slim and none. I am not a raciscst I work with all differant races of people, however they are americans. I am proud to buy american and do so whenever I can. yes I too remember the nice body by fisher, one of the plants is close and does not produce what it once did. stop the change from manufacturing economy to the service economy, buy american when you can.

 

[KellyClark]

Here's the thread I posted on Ford Truck Enthusiast. Hopefully I won't offend everyone this time



http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=171

 

[KellyClark]

oops, try this address



http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/showthread.php?t=488047

 

[FLynes]

Hell, Kelly, I don't blame you for wanting to buy all-American. It shows me that you love your country. Knuckleheads [edit out direct insult] just like to start talking trash, because they have nothing more intelligent to say. I didn't see a single thing in your original thread, which indicated you were racist, not even fascist. You are, by definition, a nationalist and should be proud of it. I wish the U. S. could go back to the way things used to be, 100% Made In America, but a lot of factors prevent us from ever travelling that path again. Unions, though they used to be extremely useful, have driven up the cost of goods made in the U. S. A. , thus forcing us to find cheaper goods. Asians make cheaper goods, though the quality might not be better. I don't know, in an ideal world, I'd like to America focus on Americans, but we're dumping money into a war with people who could two rats' snotballs about us, and would rather see us dead, and for what? Oil? Freedom? I'm in the military and have been for 15 years. I'm a Staff Sergeant in the Army. I've done 3 tours with 10th Special Forces Group(Airborne) in Kosovo back to back and to tell you the truth, I'm tired. I'd love for the U. S. A. to be the way it was, but it never will be again. The best we can do is to stay faithful to the companies who stay here and give them our business.



Frederic





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Robin

TDR Admin

05. 02. 06

 

[Regcabguy]

Hell, Kelly, I don't blame you for wanting to buy all-American. It shows me that you love your country. Knuckleheads [edited out] just like to start talking trash, because they have nothing more intelligent to say. I didn't see a single thing in your original thread, which indicated you were racist, not even fascist. You are, by definition, a nationalist and should be proud of it. I wish the U. S. could go back to the way things used to be, 100% Made In America, but a lot of factors prevent us from ever travelling that path again. Unions, though they used to be extremely useful, have driven up the cost of goods made in the U. S. A. , thus forcing us to find cheaper goods. Asians make cheaper goods, though the quality might not be better. I don't know, in an ideal world, I'd like to America focus on Americans, but we're dumping money into a war with people who could two rats' snotballs about us, and would rather see us dead, and for what? Oil? Freedom? I'm in the military and have been for 15 years. I'm a Staff Sergeant in the Army. I've done 3 tours with 10th Special Forces Group(Airborne) in Kosovo back to back and to tell you the truth, I'm tired. I'd love for the U. S. A. to be the way it was, but it never will be again. The best we can do is to stay faithful to the companies who stay here and give them our business.



Frederic

Thank you for your service. I've never served but have always felt a kinship with service personel. You folks travel the world and are able to tell if a country we've genuinely tried to help appreciates us or not. Tomorrow,May 1st marks the day illegal immigrants decide to contribute to the economy or stay home thus proclaiming"we are above the law". It's sad that behaviour like this is even suggested by their"leaders". I only wish Harry Truman or Roosevelt could be reincarnated to lead this fine land.

 

[Grizzly]

I didn't see a single thing in your original thread, which indicated you were racist, not even fascist. Frederic

The reason you don't see a single thing in Kelly's thread that indicate he is a racist is because his original post, as well as my first post to this thread, were edited by Parks, TDR Moderator. The original post really sounds cleen now. You can't go around calling people "knuckleheads" without knowing the facts.

 

[JJuday]

For the most part the trucks are made here, in America. The 5. 9 is made in Columbus, IN. The six speed, and the t-case I have are made in Syracuse, NY. and the drive shafts and axles are made in Three Rivers, MI. Those are just a few of the things that are made in this country. Yeah, so the trucks you run across in the southwest are made in Mexico, so what? They are all ISO 9001 plants, and mine was well built, no shoddy craftsmanship in my 03'. Why... . your stinkin' computer was probably put together by some 10yr. olds in southeast Asia for 50 cents an hour, if they should be so lucky. I'm willing to bet anything that the new Ford and GM trucks are just as bad about foreign matter in their design and DC is. The Duramax is an Isuzu diesel for cryin' out loud!!! And if some of the 5. 9 is foreign made, what of it? We all can see what crap is beign produced here in our back yard with the oh so wonderful 6. 0 L International. Aren't they made in Illinois, by UAW workers? If that's your idea of American made craftsmanship, then keep it.

 

[J&LRam]

We all can see what crap is beign produced here in our back yard with the oh so wonderful 6. 0 L International. Aren't they made in Illinois, by UAW workers? If that's your idea of American made craftsmanship, then keep it.

the 6. 0 PSD problems arn't related to assy line or worker issues but is a design engineering software and mechanical engineered nitemare for those folks with the 6. 0's that Ford can't fix. As a UAW worker that helped put a man on the moon [Apollo- Saturn] and the space shuttle projects we take pride in hardware for these projects and other defence projects such as the F-15 F-18 AV8B C-17 B1-B that defends this country. This American/UAW member is dang proud of the craftsmanship that has gone into these and other projects that has protected your freedom to put down the American worker.



JIM

 

[BRayls]

this UAW worker is glad to see you slam our product(the 48re) for not holding another 200 hp than its designed to hold. my wages pale in comparison to the top executives (whos wages will be more in 1 year than mine over 30,yeah its fact). get informed.

 

[cummins_crewcab]

I think you guys are taking this out of context, he just wants to know which parts are made in mexico so he can give those parts the day off on May 1st