Help me choose a turbo...

[PRyker]

I have been very slowly bombing my truck. I have had the parts in my sig below for a while now and was thinking through what to do next (I know the trans needs upgrading, I am working on that now). I stumbled upon a good deal for a set of injectors, albeit they are a pretty big step up from stock. They are Bullydog Step 6 at 200HP (Do not know if they are EDM or EH). The deal was good enough I had to bite.



I am going to install them as soon as I get them but I know I will need a bigger turbo quickly. I have done a lot of research on here and see that recommendations on turbos is only relevant to the setup you have and I am not sure which one I should be looking at. I was leaning towards the HT2B but have no experience driving a truck with anything but a stock turbo and thought maybe some of the experts here could lend a hand. I have a neighbor who is a cummins mechanic and all he keeps saying is "Super B". I do not think the guy really knows what the heck he is talking about as he told me his 01 truck came stock with 285 HP. anyways, enough of that rant...



Keep in mind that this is a daily driver for me so I am looking for the best for both EGT control as well as driveability. Could some of you more knowledgable guys give me some advice?



The help is appreciated.



Thanks



Phil

 

[JaMan]

Step 6's are pretty big for a daily driver w/o twins but the HTB2 is a great turbo and for that set up I would recomend a Killer B2 cause you should be at or beyond 475hp w/o a fueling box and with the Mad ECM, step 6's are alota fuel... The reg HTB@ made an incredeble difference from My hx35 with the same fuel. .



Good luck Jared

 

[RBratby]

you can go to piers website and look at the turbos he has listed that may help you choose the right turbo.

 

[BigDan]

I have EDM Mach 5's (200HP) and I will be getting a Full B1 turbo. I was told the Mach 5's will be too hot for anything less. I know I will be giving up a little in the spool up but when its spooled hold on.



This is just what people have been telling me. The B1 can handle it.

 

[Luke Warmwater]

What turbo do you have now Dan? I have a B1-2 and Mach2s and only make about 37psi on 5x5(at 5000')



I have a set of Mach4s coming which I think will be perfect. Might get a water/meth system for 5x5 drag/dyno runs to keep it cool but for everyday driving on 3x5 I bet they will be perfect.

 

[BigDan]

HAHA I'm still running my stock HX35. Yes im cookin when I get on it for the 5 seconds before I hit 1400'. I'm also making about 40-45 PSI in thoes few short seconds.



Yes I think your 4's will be perfect with your set up. I dont think you will need the water/meth unless you want the extra HP.



I love my Mach 5's even with the stock turbo I'm glad I chose to take a walk on the wild side. These injectors drive so well, you wouldnt even know there there until you get on it, and then hold on. Its amazing they even clean up on the top end with my HX35.



Im positive the B1 will cool this beast down. Until then I'll be blowing turbo boots off every now and then.

 

[JR2]

Bullydog 6's in a daily driver is insane, I hope you like smoke.



If you really want to do this I would think about two new turbos, not one.

 

[**ICEMAN**]

with my previous set-up,,bully dog 6's_drag comp_hx40_5 inch exhaust_scotty 2 and at 43lbs boost it was totally daily drivable with the comp off or on level 1 and 2 with not much smoke at all. levels 3 thru 5 looked like a freight train taking off at low boost and were used for play.

the injectors PRyker are refering to are mine that i "was" planning(check in hand) to send him first thing monday until someone scared him

we talked and i strongly advised him about needing more air(most likely the reason he started this thread). he told me was thinking of getting a drag comp and do some air/turbo modifications which would be very close to what i was running and it allowed me to tell him that the 6's would be fine in a daily driver.

i also told him that the addition of water injection will clean up the black cloud real quick and keep egt's 1400 or below when the comp is in play mode (level's 3 to 5 ) with a single turbo.

sure,,twins are best,,but the 6's can be run safely(egt's) with a single turbo daily driver truck.

anyway,,we cacelled the deal. no problem. things happen !!

 

[BigDan]

I agree with ICEMAN a 200HP injector is totally streetable. I have Mach 5's and even with the stock turbo it is my daily driver at 4000' feet. I talked to DonM and he told me if I went with a B1 I would be just fine even at WOT.



Yes twins will always be better even with a Mach 1 injector, theres just no comparsion.

 

[Luke Warmwater]

I thought we were talking Mach6s not Bullydog 6's?



I think there is a lot of differing opinions on what will work and what won't. This is based on the fact the people use their trucks differently. In my case with a manual transmission and the fact I don't tow, I can get away with what someone with a tight auto and heavy puller would not be happy with.

 

[**ICEMAN**]

luke warmwater

They are Bullydog Step 6 at 200HP

The deal was good enough I had to bite.

 

[Luke Warmwater]

duh lol next time I'll try and read

 

[PRyker]

Ice,



Put them suckers in the mail! Deposit my check! I said I would buy and I keep my word!! I will work it out. Hey, if anything I will eBay 'em. I can probably get close if not equal to what I payed you for 'em. With that said I would love to make this kind of power streetable and look forward to the challenge!!



Now that everyone on the board see's my dillemma here can someone else lend an opinion on these injectors? I know I need a larger Turbo. I have my stock turbo J-hooked and am now getting 40 PSI of boost after fiddleing with it.



Can I damage anything else other than what high heat can do?? What will it do at idle? I know it will sound different but will that break anything?



Thanks



Phil

 

[Jetpilot]

Personally I feel the HT2B has way too much backpressure... . I would look into a PDR-40 or a B series turbo, either the B-1-2 or a full B-1.



Doug

 

[Hohn]

I agree with ICEMAN a 200HP injector is totally streetable. I have Mach 5's and even with the stock turbo it is my daily driver at 4000' feet. I talked to DonM and he told me if I went with a B1 I would be just fine even at WOT.

Yes twins will always be better even with a Mach 1 injector, theres just no comparsion.

WHOA!! HOLD ON A SECOND!


There's a HUGE difference between a 200hp Don M in jector and a dribbly Bully Dog 200hp injector.

The Don M injector is probably streetable with a large single. The BD is most likely not even close to streetable. You'll be sooting up the oil really quickly.

I personally wouldn't consider a honed injector over 100hp.

Now, you have 200hp honed injectors. They are sloppy. The only way I could see streeting them is with twins, and small ones that spool real fast. Like twins with an HY/HX35.

A deal isn't a good deal if the product is totally wrong for you.

JMHO

 

[Jetpilot]

Phil,



I ran Bully Dog 8's with a single B-1... ... Not that it was a good combo there was lots of smoke and heat and I did not tow anything I was just looking for max power. As mentioned above there are differences between injectors but I wouldn't let that stop you from trying something out.



You will not hurt anything with the new injectors as long as you watch the egt's and boost levels. Remember that boost also equates into backpressure and that is something lots of guys miss out on. Most want instant spoolup and big HP, problem is this doesn't work well because of backpressure.



Doug

 

[Todd T]

dont let the mislead, mislead you! EDM's are cleaner burning but those "dribbly" injectors will lay down some serious horsepower. hands down!



if you get scared off of the deal or want to trade i have some BD 4's I'll swap ya for and some $



next i'll take those dribblers and knock some other forms of non-believing dribblers in the dirt with em!



remember Cumminsnotstrokin? before EDM's secret was let out of the pulling world (that's right, read it again. All Don did was find a blank tip for our injectors and start playing with the EDM process. Mark my words, it was around WAAYYY before that in tractors) Jim was beating every EH vendor out there with his BD's in raw HP.

 

[lmills]

Personally I feel the HT2B has way too much backpressure... . I would look into a PDR-40 or a B series turbo, either the B-1-2 or a full B-1.

Actually, that's not entirely true. I had some high drive pressures with my 12 housing, but they dropped when I went to the 14 cm housing.

 

[2broke2smoke]

you may want to give J.R. Adkins a call

i've got one of his HX-55 hybrids and am very happy with it



it nocked 400 degrees off my egts



and spools quicker than most people can believe



i'm only running jammer 4's but am very happy with the results



95% of the time i'm running with the drag comp off and this turbo has far exceeded my expectations



let us know what you go with

 

[Jetpilot]

Actually, that's not entirely true. I had some high drive pressures with my 12 housing, but they dropped when I went to the 14 cm housing.

Lloyd,



What drive pressure are you seeing with the 14 housing? Another member was seeing around 53# of drive pressure @ 40# of boost (but that was with the smaller housing)... ... Can you have drive pressure data from say 15#-50#?



Thanks,



Doug