HELP, over GVWR BY 400 lbs.

[dfb]

Finally went to the scales yesterday... Truck GVWR IS 12,300.... Without me in it truck is 12380.... Front axle rated 6000 on the scale front was 5700..... Rear axle rated at 7000 , scaled at 6680. .. Trailer axles were 10280...total truck and trailer 22660 plus me 23000.... I'm under the gcvwr by 2000 lbs. under both axle rating .. However, I'm over the gvwr on the truck by about 300 to 400 lbs... An suggestions.. I'm thinking of welding a railroad tie to the rear of the trailer. Transferring weight off the pin to the rear. Gvwr of trailer is 16000... Current pin is 2905. I figure 500 lbs off pin would give the slack needed.

 

[shorthorn]

I personally would not be too worried as long as your axles and GCWR are ok... but that is just my opinion.

Good luck with welding a railroad tie... I have never been able to strike a decent arc on wood!

 

[Grizzly]

I too would not worry about the slight overload. Just make sure all tires are inflated to take the load.

 

[spoon059]

The extra weight of welding an additional cross member wouldn't make things better. 400 lbs on a 12,000 lbs truck is kinda like ******* in the ocean...

 

[RVTRKN]

Axle weight is important not Dodges GCWR or GVWR, it's the axles. Are your tanks full in the 5ver when weighed? Transferring weight to the front axle is a small percentage, and can allow the max on the drive axle (rear) to be achieved keeping front axle within. Go to a higher rating tire and you'll be fine, as long as you don't grossly over due it. You should fill your trucks fuel tank, drain fresh water except enough to use on the road for toilet use, and drain grey and black tanks. Then weigh it and see what you have.

 

[dfb]

Axle weight is important not Dodges GCWR or GVWR, it's the axles. Are your tanks full in the 5ver when weighed? Transferring weight to the front axle is a small percentage, and can allow the max on the drive axle (rear) to be achieved keeping front axle within. Go to a higher rating tire and you'll be fine, as long as you don't grossly over due it. You should fill your trucks fuel tank, drain fresh water except enough to use on the road for toilet use, and drain grey and black tanks. Then weigh it and see what you have.

Thanks... The Factory Transforce tires are rated 3640 lbs at 80 psi.. They do make a tire that is a 295 instead of the 275 increasing the tire rating from 3640 to 4080...The added weight to the Rear of the trailer is likened to a teeter toter.. Put more weight away from the front and transfer more weight to the rear. Race care drivers do this type of thing by placing the battery in the trunk This is like moving the engine back 3 inches just with a 40b battery... I was thinking by adding 200 lbs at the rear most of the Trailer I could maybe get 500 off the pin...Since I'm 2000 lbs below GCVWRs this would not be an issue.The water issue is interesting.. The only water at weigh in was in the Water Heater...I do have on heavy weber in the front compartment.. Im the guy that had the Andersen issue hitting the cab with the 5th wheel. So we went to the super glide... I bet that puts 200 for the hitch plus 60 for the frame in the equation...Plus 60 for the BBQ... this would reduce the 400 over to about 150 . I could remove the tailgate for another 50 needing only 100 less off the pin...Thanks RVtrkn..... oh.. btw.. my wife packs the double refer to the hilt.....!!!! We just got back and I bet their was an easy 300lbs of food and water and sodas and canned goods......Wow....

 

[dfb]

I too would not worry about the slight overload. Just make sure all tires are inflated to take the load.

Thanks....

 

[dfb]

I personally would not be too worried as long as your axles and GCWR are ok... but that is just my opinion.

Good luck with welding a railroad tie... I have never been able to strike a decent arc on wood!

Thanks....

 

[SnoKing]

Finally went to the scales yesterday... Truck GVWR IS 12,300.... Without me in it truck is 12380.... Front axle rated 6000 on the scale front was 5700..... Rear axle rated at 7000 , scaled at 6680. .. Trailer axles were 10280...total truck and trailer 22660 plus me 23000.... I'm under the gcvwr by 2000 lbs. under both axle rating .. However, I'm over the gvwr on the truck by about 300 to 400 lbs... An suggestions.. I'm thinking of welding a railroad tie to the rear of the trailer. Transferring weight off the pin to the rear. Gvwr of trailer is 16000... Current pin is 2905. I figure 500 lbs off pin would give the slack needed.

How did you get that much weight on the front axle? Here are some of my weights. Do Mega cabs weight that much more on the front axle?

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[gsbrockman]

How did you get that much weight on the front axle? Here are some of my weights. Do Mega cabs weight that much more on the front axle?

I agree!!!

This is NCHauler's scale tickets.......
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He tows a 2016 Jayco 4112 TH. GVW 20,000#, Loaded out

 

[dfb]

How did you get that much weight on the front axle? Here are some of my weights. Do Mega cabs weight that much more on the front axle?

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Mega cab 4x4 with the Andersen 32lb hitch weighed 8900 . Now I have the superglide and the Reese picture frame. I think the mega abs weigh even more than long beds... Oh, I said "weld a railroad tie, I meant a railroad rail!,,,, so I think my truck empty now is 9100....

 

[SnoKing]

You sure the front axle was not 5100 instead of the 5700 you noted? SNOKNG

 

[jacknife]

Oo.Three hundred lbs over is nothing to lose sleep over , just go !

 

[NIsaacs]

I was thinking by adding 200 lbs at the rear most of the Trailer I could maybe get 500 off the pin...

No, you have that backwards. If your trailer is 36' long for example, with 12' of rear overhang from the center of your trailer axles, and if your pin is 24' in front of the center of your trailer axles, 200 lbs on the rear will remove 100lbs off the pin and add 300lbs to your trailer axles.

Nick

 

[dfb]

No, you have that backwards. If your trailer is 36' long for example, with 12' of rear overhang from the center of your trailer axles, and if your pin is 24' in front of the center of your trailer axles, 200 lbs on the rear will remove 100lbs off the pin and add 300lbs to your trailer axles.

Nick

thanks Nick... Trailer is 38'11 .. I'll have to find the physics formula for fulcrum.... I have 2000 lbs to play with on the trailer...

 

[Cummins12V98]

Are we talking a 5th wheel or a TT?????? A TT could give that high of a front axle weight with load levelers but NO way a 5th wheel! I have a HUGE pin weight of around 5,500# and my front axle weighs 5,460# with wife and I in the truck.

Let's see the CatScale printout!

 

[gsbrockman]

Are we talking a 5th wheel or a TT?????? A TT could give that high of a front axle weight with load levelers but NO way a 5th wheel! I have a HUGE pin weight of around 5,500# and my front axle weighs 5,460# with wife and I in the truck.

Let's see the CatScale printout!

Pretty sure the OP has a 5th wheel......he had a cab contact recently and broke his rear window and damaged the cab.
When you say "load levelers"....I *assume* you're referring to rear air bags.....and not a weight distributing setup?

 

[AH64ID]

Wow that's a lot of front axle weight! Even for a MC truck. I am not sure it's even possible to add 1,700 lbs to the front axle (based on curb weight) without a snowplow and a winch bumper. I am not even sure you could get the front axle that heavy with TT load leveling bars and not break something on the hitch/frame.

Curb weight on a MC is 200 lbs more than a CC/LB but 170 of that 200 is on the rear axle.

While adding some weight to the rear bumper of the trailer would reduce the pin weight I don't think there is enough room for the 500 lbs transfer based on 200 lbs of weight. The 200 lbs would have to be 2.5x further from the axles than the pin is, which isn't the case on any trailer I have seen going down the road.

As others have stated the GVWR is a fairly BS number on these trucks. Look at FAWR/RAWR and tires. The OEM 18" wheels have a published rating of 3500 lbs/ea which puts them at the limit at 7K on the axle. Heavier tires would be safer but you likely can't load them to capacity.

I am over GVWR nearly every time I do anything with my truck in terms of hauling or towing. It's never bothered me as I am always within the rear axle limit (based on my upgraded wheels/tires).

 

[dfb]

this is a copy of the scale weights.. No longer have the Andersen,.. going to the Superglide with the reese added about 240 lbs to the bed.. what I need to do is "move ballast" from the truck back to the Fiver...YES! this truck has the Factory air bags... Im thinking of going to a 295 70 18 by Michelin... Instead of 3640 tire load this will bring tire load to 4080 pr 8160 capacity to the rear.. Thanks fella's....

 

[dfb]

Are we talking a 5th wheel or a TT?????? A TT could give that high of a front axle weight with load levelers but NO way a 5th wheel! I have a HUGE pin weight of around 5,500# and my front axle weighs 5,460# with wife and I in the truck.

Let's see the CatScale printout!

please see above... Maybe the scale is wrong or I have the truck not on right.....