HELP SHE'S DEAD

[CUMMINS KID]

OK HERE IS HOW IT GOES. ... . SHE DONT!!!!
WENT TO WORK YESTERDAY EVERYTHING FINE AND DANDY. COME OUT OF WORK THIS MORNING. NOTHING!!!! SHE JUST LAY'S THERE LOOKING PRETTY BUT NOTHING WILL TURN OVER BUT WILL NOT EVEN TRY TO FIRE, INTAKE HEATERS WORKING.
..... HELP IM LOST WITHOUT MY DODGE!!!!!!
THAK YOU JASON

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1993 LE 250 4X4 AUTO 95,000
MILES. BED RACKS. ALL STOCK ... FOR NOW... .

 

[Old Nordby]

I'll take a stab at it:

If you have heat, and it won't fire, then you don't have fuel.

I'd start by checking for fuel at the lift pump, use the manual bleed lever and crack the manual bleed screw. See if you can get some fuel at the point. If no, then your lift pump is bad, or no fuel is getting to the lift pump -meaning your tank is clogged, empty, a vacuum is set up to prevent fuel flow, or something like that.

If you have fuel there, ensure your filter has been swapped recently. Have a buddy crank the motor while cracking the high pressure line to one of your injectors - fuel there?

If no fuel there, I'd suspect the filter or lift pump. I doubt the injection pump would die instantly and without some warning.

Let us know how you come out!
jon

 

[CUMMINS KID]

WILL HAVE TO TRY THAT... WHERE IS THE MANUAL BLEED SCREW?????
SORRY VERY NEW AT THIS

 

[Old Nordby]

From memory, so I could be off by a little. And I carpooled today and left mine at home so I can't go look!

Follow the line from the lift pump up to the housing where the filter is attached. That should be a 17mm (some were 14mm) line where it attaches. Called a banjo fitting I think, not sure.

So, while working the lever, leave that screw cracked a bit and see if you can flow fuel.

If you can, email me directly at nordby@channelpoint.com as I probably won't be able to directly monitor the conference today, but can take some time out and try to talk ya through it!

jon

 

[paccool]

Jason,

What was the temperature outside when this happened? When was the last time you got fuel? Was thinking there may be something here that needs to be looked at.

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Stan
93 2WD extended cab, Banks Power Pack, K&N air filter, PW Injectors,rebuilt and tweaked pump, auto w/3. 54 rear with limited slip, US Gear Exhaust Brake, 3-1/2" Exhaust, 5K air bags, Boost/Pyro/Tach Gauges, Green/Silver, new 40-20-40 bucket seats, 151K

 

[BillyKidd]

Something else to consider is the electic fuel shut-off valve. This stops your engine by shutting off fuel. Mine died once and the truck just stopped. It would crank but like yours it wouldn't start. The valve is basically an electromagnet, when the ignition is turned on the valve is energized and opens allowing fuel to the pump. When you turn off the key it no longer has power and closes, shutting off the fuel and stopping the engine. If it dies the valve stays closed with or without power. Check for fuel at the injector while cranking engine. If no fuel it might be this valve. The other suggestions will tell you if you have fuel to the valve as it is located immediately in front of the injection pump. Hopes this helps!

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93,CC,4X4,LE,Auto/3. 54. Banks intercooler/exhaust,K&N,PW injectors, 14cm2 wastegated turbo, "timed" pump, Walker "flow-thru" muffler,Emerald Grn. w/ SS running board,Grizzly Grill Guard.

 

[CUMMINS KID]

OK WITH THE KEY ON I PULLED OFF THE PLUG ON THE SHUT OFF VALVE AND PUT IT BACK ON WHEN I DID IT MADE A CLICK LIKE I WAS TOLD IT SHOULD DO... ... PACCOOL THE RELATIVE TEMP WAS 33 DEG. F THE HEATERS KICKED IN AND I CYCLED THEM TWICE AS I DO WHEN IT'S BELOW 35. I ALSO DIDENT HAVE IT PLUGED IN ... I NEVER HAVE PLUGED HER IN YET.
THANK YOU JASON

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1993 LE 250 4X4 AUTO 95,000
MILES. BED RACKS. ALL STOCK ... FOR NOW... .

 

[CUMMINS KID]

ALSO I FILLED HER UP SATURDAY MORNING

 

[BigRig]

It is usually safe to buy fuel at truck stops rather than at a hole in the wall station, if you have a choice. I know I've been stuck with poor fuel quality more than once after a fill up. I try to stick to a couple of good stations for fuel. my . 02 Scott

 

[HonkinDiesel]

Hi Jason;
As Billy mentioned if you got the fuel flowing thats great, but I hope you checked that the "Water in Fuel" indicator works and turned off before you tried to start her. Moisture in the fuel will definitely do what you mentioned! Any sort of moisture present in the combustion chamber will prevent the fuel from doing its job.
As a stab in the dark try draining a few ounces of fuel into a container from the bottom of your fuel filter. Notice if there are any water drops? In the mean time if you can plug her in to warm her up might help too. Good luck and let us know how it goes!



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PBaetz
93'RAM 250 LE; Fire Engine Red; Std cab 2wd; Engine: B5. 9-160 ;Transmission: Getrag G-360; 400 ft-lbs torque; and working on improving it all.

 

[paccool]

Big Rig and Peter,

That was where I was headed when I asked when he got fuel. Was wondering if he may have gotten some bad fuel. Fill up on Saturday and it won't start on Monday, could be related.

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Stan
93 2WD extended cab, Banks Power Pack, K&N air filter, PW Injectors,rebuilt and tweaked pump, auto w/3. 54 rear with limited slip, US Gear Exhaust Brake, 3-1/2" Exhaust, 5K air bags, Boost/Pyro/Tach Gauges, Green/Silver, new 40-20-40 bucket seats, 151K

 

[CUMMINS KID]

NEW ALERT!!
got her home via trailer. at least she's comfortable now. cracked the manual bleed screw on her pumped the lever and first pump bang she's got fuel no air. trying to find the fuel shut off, it's on the injector pump i got that mutch but is it facing the firewall or the radiator?????

you guy's are a huge help!!!!!! Jason

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1993 LE 250 4X4 AUTO 95,000
MILES. BED RACKS. ALL STOCK ... FOR NOW... .

 

[CUMMINS KID]

also tried draning the fuel from tha filter not one drop if water i just changed the filter about 1,500miles ago

 

[CUMMINS KID]

she's running again. loose connection to the fuel shut off valve!!!!!!thank you all for your help it would have cost me alot!!!!
you guy's rock thank you Jason

 

[Old Nordby]

Good news!Glad you are on the road!

And good catch on the fuel shutoff selenoid Bill Kidd - I was making it too complicated given the sudden symptoms!

jon

 

[BillyKidd]

CUMMINS KID: Glad to hear your back on the road. Isn't this forum the greatest thing since Cummins Engines!!!!

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93,CC,4X4,LE,Auto/3. 54. Banks intercooler/exhaust,Gauges(Pyro/Boost/Tach. ),K&N,"PW" injectors, 14cm2 wastegated turbo, "timed" pump, CUMMINS CHROME engine kit,Walker "flow-thru" muffler,Emerald Grn. w/ SS running board,Grizzly Grill Guard.

 

[CUMMINS KID]

maybe even better... ..... lol joking