How much does a clutch run, with install? I am just trying to see what I should try and get knocked off of the price before I buy it. So new clutch and possibly not a H/O is what I've got so far as my buyer's ammunition... One other thing, the truck needs to be reliable, as I will be towing for my business. How bad is the TST's reputation for toasting injector pumps? Should I ditch it and replace it with an EZ and 275s?
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Engine/Transmission (1998.5 - 2002) High Output problems?
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I can't say about tst box I have the edge comp. The clutch & install is about 1300. 00 give or take. From what I've heard if the box doesn't toast the injection pump in 15 mins then its good to go. Eric
I can't say about tst box I have the edge comp. The clutch & install is about 1300. 00 give or take. From what I've heard if the box doesn't toast the injection pump in 15 mins then its good to go. Eric
275s and EZ
That WILL slip your clutch. I would go with the Edge comp and DDII's. The comp is VERY adjustable as well as turnning it off if needed. The EZ is NOT adjustable on the fly. Eric
That WILL slip your clutch. I would go with the Edge comp and DDII's. The comp is VERY adjustable as well as turnning it off if needed. The EZ is NOT adjustable on the fly. Eric
Any damage running the powermax on those stock injectors? How much better power/milage could I expect with a set of 275s? Would they pay for themselves with the milage increase? As far as the clutch goes, where is the best place to get one? Are all the NV5600 clutches the same, and which clutch would be best for me? The truck will be mostly used to tow 11,000lbs plus a good sized load in the bed for long stretches at a time. Oh yeah, it has a 3. 54 rear end and a GV so it turns 1500rpms at 70. Is it ok to tow at this rpm?
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You can run ANY box with stock injector. go to links and find piers he's the man sells all the stuff you'll need and will install too. I seems to me that the rpms are a little low the sweet spot of the engine is 1800 to 2200 rpms. As far as what south bend you need to find out how much power you want to add. I have the con OFE good to about 450HP. It's a great towing clutch as well. Eric
You can run ANY box with stock injector. go to links and find piers he's the man sells all the stuff you'll need and will install too. I seems to me that the rpms are a little low the sweet spot of the engine is 1800 to 2200 rpms. As far as what south bend you need to find out how much power you want to add. I have the con OFE good to about 450HP. It's a great towing clutch as well. Eric
I have no intention of bombing this truck to the hill... like I said, I will really only do injectors if they will pay themselves off. The truck will be used for work. What clutch size will the truck be, or does that depend on if its a H/O or not? Also, will the lower rmps mean I need a stronger clutch? Eric, along with all you others are a big help. Thanks from the new guy, JOE
00 H.O.
If it really a HO engine the truck will like the larger injectors more than a box. Eric
If it really a HO engine the truck will like the larger injectors more than a box. Eric
00 H.O.
You should see some better mpg with bigger injectors. No the lower RPM's are NOT good for heat,engine can't breath well at low rpm's, no boost at low rpm's = low mpg. When I 1st bought mine I was suprised to try to keep rpm's up where they NEED TO BE. Eric
P. S. That's why we are all here to help. We all started out and had to learn. I just glad that I was able to help ya have a great weekend
You should see some better mpg with bigger injectors. No the lower RPM's are NOT good for heat,engine can't breath well at low rpm's, no boost at low rpm's = low mpg. When I 1st bought mine I was suprised to try to keep rpm's up where they NEED TO BE. Eric
P. S. That's why we are all here to help. We all started out and had to learn. I just glad that I was able to help ya have a great weekend
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Joe I fixed the link to piers near top of this page.
Joe I fixed the link to piers near top of this page.
You may also want to think of getting an exhaust brake if you are going to be hauling that much weight. On the standards, they are just bolt -n- go.
Get some guages, and any of the above with the power. Some people say injectors are more than enough, so think about some DD2's, and sell of the boxes.
Get some guages, and any of the above with the power. Some people say injectors are more than enough, so think about some DD2's, and sell of the boxes.
The asking price is $26500... Its a 2000 3500 QC slt 4x4 spd, 65kmi, he says H/O, but we need to make sure still, Pwrmax3, GV unit, 4" exhaust, gauges, and so on... I am gonna try to get the price down because he said the clutch will slip, and I will be doing a lot of towing, and also if its not a H/O, I feel the price should decrease as well.
00 H.O.
Joe, keep us up on what happens if you get it or anything else. Thanx Eric
Joe, keep us up on what happens if you get it or anything else. Thanx Eric
If the truck already has the PMAX3, you won't need any more power upgrades. It alone will easily tow 11K.
SO vs HO doesn't matter all that much unless you are starting from scratch. If it already has a PMAX 3, why mess with it? The key here is whether or not it is the ADJUSTABLE pmax. Adding the remote (if not there already) is what you want to do, and only costs $100. This way you can keep the clutch alive by only adding as much power as you need.
in short, you don't need to really do anything to this truck. It's got an e-brake, a power module, and will pull very nicely.
If you no longer need the EZ, sell it. FOR THE RECORD, TST BOXES *DO* HAVE TIMING. It's just not as much timing as an EZ. You should be able to get enough money from your EZ to pay for some injectors, at least mild ones (275s).
You will probably find that your towing temps will be lower by using large injectors at a lower power setting on the box. Relying heavily on the box's fueling increases EGT.
If you want the ULTIMATE towing combo, go with some EDM injectors in a stage 2 or 3, and keep the adjustable box.
As for clutches, the HO six speeds have a little larger clutch than the SO six speeds. I was amazed to find that my stock clutch holds my Ez+DD2 combo (for now, anyway). If really towing heavy, the larger clutch of the true HO motors will be your friend, although the smaller clutch will shift a little better.
Ignore calendar years. Model years are all that matter here. There were no HO motors until MY2001. Check the VIN. These aren't like old Mopars, where there were model overlaps, and all kinds of one-off things. It's either a 2000 SO or a 2001 HO- no way around it.
I would recommend only using the GV unit when running empty.
Injectors will NEVER pay for themselves unless diesel goes to like $10 a gallon, and you use 275s. The additional 1-2mpg (max) is not a good justification for injectors. More power and lower EGT are good reasons.
As for injection pumps and the PMAX: Boxes are only hard on the pumps when you USE the power. So, if you set the box on kill and tow 30K#, expect very short life. Relying on larger injectors lets you run a lower level on the box, and take it easier on the pump.
***A fuel pressure gauge is the single most important addition you can add to ANY second generation CTD. ***
This guy is right: the 2000 HOs are VERY rare because they DON'T exist. .
Sounds like a good truck; have fun!!
HOHN
SO vs HO doesn't matter all that much unless you are starting from scratch. If it already has a PMAX 3, why mess with it? The key here is whether or not it is the ADJUSTABLE pmax. Adding the remote (if not there already) is what you want to do, and only costs $100. This way you can keep the clutch alive by only adding as much power as you need.
in short, you don't need to really do anything to this truck. It's got an e-brake, a power module, and will pull very nicely.
If you no longer need the EZ, sell it. FOR THE RECORD, TST BOXES *DO* HAVE TIMING. It's just not as much timing as an EZ. You should be able to get enough money from your EZ to pay for some injectors, at least mild ones (275s).
You will probably find that your towing temps will be lower by using large injectors at a lower power setting on the box. Relying heavily on the box's fueling increases EGT.
If you want the ULTIMATE towing combo, go with some EDM injectors in a stage 2 or 3, and keep the adjustable box.
As for clutches, the HO six speeds have a little larger clutch than the SO six speeds. I was amazed to find that my stock clutch holds my Ez+DD2 combo (for now, anyway). If really towing heavy, the larger clutch of the true HO motors will be your friend, although the smaller clutch will shift a little better.
Ignore calendar years. Model years are all that matter here. There were no HO motors until MY2001. Check the VIN. These aren't like old Mopars, where there were model overlaps, and all kinds of one-off things. It's either a 2000 SO or a 2001 HO- no way around it.
I would recommend only using the GV unit when running empty.
Injectors will NEVER pay for themselves unless diesel goes to like $10 a gallon, and you use 275s. The additional 1-2mpg (max) is not a good justification for injectors. More power and lower EGT are good reasons.
As for injection pumps and the PMAX: Boxes are only hard on the pumps when you USE the power. So, if you set the box on kill and tow 30K#, expect very short life. Relying on larger injectors lets you run a lower level on the box, and take it easier on the pump.
***A fuel pressure gauge is the single most important addition you can add to ANY second generation CTD. ***
This guy is right: the 2000 HOs are VERY rare because they DON'T exist. .
Sounds like a good truck; have fun!!
HOHN
Correct, it's the standard output, NOT the HO. You can use either clutch, the 13" is the upgrade, call Peter @ SBC, he'll fill you in. Good luck with your new truck, if you get it.
Later, Rob
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