High Tech's new HTTss 71 turbo Beta test

[HeberRam]

I saw a dyno sheet that showed that the Golden Nugget 66/16 produced 580hp and the same truck with a Silver Bullet ran 62hp more? Is this true? It looked to me to be true!

It is true, however, you are comparing two different turbos. The HTTss 66/71/16cm is a larger turbo, and the Silver Bullet is a 66/73/14cm. In order to make a better comparsion between the two, you need to run a HTTss 66/71/13cm, or a HTTss 66/73/13cm with the Silver Bullet on the same truck. The HTTss 66/71/16cm was too big for the truck to spool right.



P. S. you probably know it was my truck. Don't let comparing apples with oranges prove one is better then the other.

 

[BevanB]

So what are your dyno numbers now? Why did you take the Silver Bullet off after those dyno results? I need to find out which turbo I need to run. Do you work for HTT? Sounds like you change turbos often. You must have a sweet hookup.

 

[HeberRam]

So what are your dyno numbers now? Why did you take the Silver Bullet off after those dyno results? I need to find out which turbo I need to run. Do you work for HTT? Sounds like you change turbos often. You must have a sweet hookup.

I currently run a HTTss 64/13cm. I have not dynoed my truck with that turbo yet. My intentions were and have been to stop racing after the DHRA event in Las Vegas last week. I have a 5th wheel that I am using more, 12k and canot tow with the Silver Bullet due to surging and high EGT issues. The Silver Bullet turbo is a competition turbo, and not good for heavy towing. I do not work for HTT or II, or a reseller or vendor for either one. I simply have been Beta testing HTT's turbos and giving honest results as they pertain to my truck. So far the HTT new SS turbos have been providing me all the power I need, ability to tow, lower EGT's, and no surging.



You need to decide what your power goals are, and use of your truck will be to determine which turbo and other modifications will work best. The purpose of this tread is to hopefully provide others with some information regarding HTT's new turbos and what may work best for them.

 

[BradyWilliams]

Steve what are you saying? HTT is now planning to make Silver Bullets also? (HTTss 66/73/13cm)The only way to compete with a Silver Bullet is to make one? Let me enlighten you about . 70 and . 80 turbine housings. A . 70 housing from Borg Warner is actually the same as a 13cm size from Holset. A . 80 housing is actually the same as a 15cm size from Holset. The reason why we have not pushed this information to everyone before is because we didn't see the need. What happened to your Silver Bullet? Where did it end up? Thanks

 

[BradyWilliams]

Steve tell us about all the Highest Horse Power Trophies (3rd Gen. ) you won at Dyno events. Who's Turbo and products were on your truck? Back then you said you had NO EGT problems when you drove your truck normal or towed. I tow heavy with mine (SB) all the time with no eccesive EGT's and the surge is fixed. Barry with NADP towed Matt's truck back to Edmonton with no surging either. Hmm. (Barry's turbo was updated at our shop)

 

[COMP461]

You know I have been reading this thread, and it would be fine is someone who is for one side of another would enlighten us on new product. But I hate it , and it’s the biggest taboo in the marketing of your self to acquire free product, and then bounce from vendor to vendor and use one vendors knowledge or product to learn from and make gains then take it to another shop and take money to changing decals.



I would not let any decals from people that helped me, be removed from my former ride that was a major reason for quitting that team. You stay with the horse that bung you.



Brady is one of the most generous people in this industry; his product is IMO the best out there. I base this premise on the fact that they adapt and improve on the fly. I have done a lot of R&D on these engines and ever time I find a combination that needs more air , Shane Builds a more efficient turbo .



Most of the front line turbo’s now in competition or marketing can trace their linage back to Industrial injection, whether directly in the case of some major vendors turbo that were developed on commission in house at Industrial injection or when guys like this come over and have Brady’s and crew tune them up .



The new 80 mm stuff is the ticket on truck where extensive cylinder head and camshaft work is do and the normal so called big turbo’s run off the MAP in CFM at only 35 lbs boost .



Take it for what you will but you have to have integrity when you do this kind of public marketing

 

[HeberRam]

Steve what are you saying? HTT is now planning to make Silver Bullets also? (HTTss 66/73/13cm)The only way to compete with a Silver Bullet is to make one? Let me enlighten you about . 70 and . 80 turbine housings. A . 70 housing from Borg Warner is actually the same as a 13cm size from Holset. A . 80 housing is actually the same as a 15cm size from Holset. The reason why we have not pushed this information to everyone before is because we didn't see the need. What happened to your Silver Bullet? Where did it end up? Thanks

First of all Brady, you have hit an all time low with your above remarks. If HTT wanted to make a 66/73/14 they could. I believe and know you are very concerned with HTT's development of the SS housing, because you can't get your hands on any. As far as where the Silver Bullet ended up, let's just say Utah dump.

 

[HeberRam]

Steve tell us about all the Highest Horse Power Trophies (3rd Gen. ) you won at Dyno events. Who's Turbo and products were on your truck? Back then you said you had NO EGT problems when you drove your truck normal or towed. I tow heavy with mine (SB) all the time with no eccesive EGT's and the surge is fixed. Barry with NADP towed Matt's truck back to Edmonton with no surging either. Hmm. (Barry's turbo was updated at our shop)

Brady, again you are attacking me for whatever reason I don't know. This has just costs us our previous relationship any futher purchases from me. The Silver Bullet has EGT's issues while towing, and still surges dispite what you said. Shane updated my last Silver Bullet at your shop like Barry's and it still surges!!! Your R&D of anti surging was a simple trip to Las Vegas in your truck which is a manual. Mines an auto. You as a vendor have gone to far with me. :-{}

 

[HeberRam]

You know I have been reading this thread, and it would be fine is someone who is for one side of another would enlighten us on new product. But I hate it , and it’s the biggest taboo in the marketing of your self to acquire free product, and then bounce from vendor to vendor and use one vendors knowledge or product to learn from and make gains then take it to another shop and take money to changing decals.



I would not let any decals from people that helped me, be removed from my former ride that was a major reason for quitting that team. You stay with the horse that bung you.



Brady is one of the most generous people in this industry; his product is IMO the best out there. I base this premise on the fact that they adapt and improve on the fly. I have done a lot of R&D on these engines and ever time I find a combination that needs more air , Shane Builds a more efficient turbo .



Most of the front line turbo’s now in competition or marketing can trace their linage back to Industrial injection, whether directly in the case of some major vendors turbo that were developed on commission in house at Industrial injection or when guys like this come over and have Brady’s and crew tune them up .



The new 80 mm stuff is the ticket on truck where extensive cylinder head and camshaft work is do and the normal so called big turbo’s run off the MAP in CFM at only 35 lbs boost .



Take it for what you will but you have to have integrity when you do this kind of public marketing

Comp461, you don't know anything about me and to make statements about me getting free merchandise, or money is unfounded. I have never recieved anything from II or HTT FREE and have paid for everything myself. As far as II turbo linage, ask Brady how he got the spec's from HTT's turbo's someday. As far as decals, the truck is mine and I can do whatever I want to it. There are two faces of Industrial Injection, I used to know one of them that was good, however, the other face has just now surfaced.



And Comp, take it what you will, I do have a lot of integrity and will no longer be associated with a Vendor like Industrial Injection again. Somewhere, someone forgot I was the customer.

 

[thekidfan]

All good posts Steve!! Please don't let that kind of garbage stop you from posting your very detailed reviews of products we're all interested in! Those of us that have been around for awhile know your rep and you have nothing to worry about

 

[RobertP]

wow i cant believe what im reading. HeberRam from what i have seen and heard, just about all the guys over at Industrial have helped in this endever of yours. and the way i have followed youe threads about all of the testing you have done with II. it seemed like to me it would be a slap in the face to a company, for you to just drop there product, for another companies. after all you have said about how well they have treated you in the past.



so on this one i have to side with Brady because he has tried to help you the whole time. and even after you dropped them like a bad habit for HTT, Brady still wanted to make things right. that there is showing to me that he treated you better than a customer, more like a friend. thats just my . 002





as for your comment about where your silver bullet is, you might as well take the injectors and cp3 off then too. maybe HTT can make those for you too.

 

[BevanB]

Well that does it for me! I will be calling II tomorrow for their three item bundle discount.

 

[HeberRam]

wow i cant believe what im reading. HeberRam from what i have seen and heard, just about all the guys over at Industrial have helped in this endever of yours. and the way i have followed youe threads about all of the testing you have done with II. it seemed like to me it would be a slap in the face to a company, for you to just drop there product, for another companies. after all you have said about how well they have treated you in the past.



so on this one i have to side with Brady because he has tried to help you the whole time. and even after you dropped them like a bad habit for HTT, Brady still wanted to make things right. that there is showing to me that he treated you better than a customer, more like a friend. thats just my . 002





as for your comment about where your silver bullet is, you might as well take the injectors and cp3 off then too. maybe HTT can make those for you too.

Robert, you and Wade have short memories... You were the ones that started on me from info provided by Brady about my dynoing the HTTss 66/71/16... remmember. Brady couldn't let things go, and fed you a lot of BS about me. . Where do you get off about "Brady still wanted to make things right?" What do you mean by that? Brady hasn't communicated to me at all. Yes they treated me well in the past, and they have chosen to discredit me now. This is the side of them I didn't know. The very fact of you poking your nose into things you don't know about as a loyal II distributor and trying to defend II ( Brady ) on matters about me that only could have come from Brady, shows me how far II will go to discredit me. I have already changed injectors with some that work better thankyou. I considered Brady a friend, he broke the relationship not me. I have nothing to prove or lose. I state the facts, if you don't like it tuff. Sometimes the truth hurts, I guess II and other loyal fans like you can't take it.



Another factoid, you don't see HTT on here ranting and raving to II customers do you? Because they have more class, and have nothing to fear or prove.



If you spent more time on your business, and less time on the internet, you might be successful some day.











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[RobertP]

If you spent more time on your business, and less time on the internet, you might be successful some day.

what about what i do is not successfull? have you ran any 11. 3 quarter mile passes lately? we have!



although im sure if you would have comunicated with them prior to dropping them, you would have been taken care of.



here are some of our experiances with the silver bullet that we have had for more than a year and a half now. very streetable tows well no surging to date. has helped us to a 11. 38 at 117 mph. we just took the fastest non pro street time down at the TS event today. also were very competitive in the 12. 0 index class.



but im done with this ******* match with you so good luck with your new setup. hope all is well.

 

[BradyWilliams]

What is this personal slam BS? We have always treated you excellent at our place. When you walk in, we JUMP. You say I'm two faced? Dishonest? You know thats not true! I'm wondering what you have to gain by this personal assult. If you want to discuss turbo linage, I'm sure you will be very enlightened by the truth. HTT did not make or invent S300 turbos. You have tried to defame my character and I will not stand for it. ALL I EXPECTED FROM YOU WAS TO TELL THE TRUTH AND NOT WITHOLD IT. This includes not only the dyno results but also things you told us about the G. N. I have communicated with you about this matter through a PM. We also talked to you at DHRA in Las Vegas. You did not want to talk to us in front of HTT. You said you would get back to us. This is not the way I expected.

 

[COMP461]

You know it all comes down to this, who you trust to get you there.



The explosive performance gains are challenging all the vendors to evolve product as fast as we the innovator are pushing the envelope of performance. You start with one vendor and as you find the limits, and then you work with that person, giving feed back to go to the next level.

In this symbiotic relationship you have to trust the vendor with your data, and the intimate details of you program. In turn the vendor trusts you with expensive cutting edge unproven parts that may or may not work as planed When that part works great , when not , you help find the answer to the reason it didn’t and move on . You build on this and the results are the new product that the general public gets to buy. This is anther many hours of R & D and a few spills along the way.



I absolutely trust Brady, Bret and Shane Williams. These guys have worked together with me to build some of the best Diesel drag racing engines and street engines around.

They have proven them selves time and time again that they are not just partners in R&D but true friends. When I made the design to go out on my own and build a Pro Stock Truck , Brady was one of the first , immediately flying to Texas, to support me , and had Checks in hand , along with Mike Wood of NX , Mat Snow of Snow Boost Cooler and Barry Votner or NADP . These are guys you can count on, their word is absolute. A deal is a deal. Stay with the horse that bung you I also want to say I appreciate the fact when the opportunity to go after a major life long dream came along; putting a end to that project , All of these people were gracious enough to give me the go ahead and take the chance.

 

[HeberRam]

What is this personal slam BS? We have always treated you excellent at our place. When you walk in, we JUMP. You say I'm two faced? Dishonest? You know thats not true! I'm wondering what you have to gain by this personal assult. If you want to discuss turbo linage, I'm sure you will be very enlightened by the truth. HTT did not make or invent S300 turbos. You have tried to defame my character and I will not stand for it. ALL I EXPECTED FROM YOU WAS TO TELL THE TRUTH AND NOT WITHOLD IT. This includes not only the dyno results but also things you told us about the G. N. I have communicated with you about this matter through a PM. We also talked to you at DHRA in Las Vegas. You did not want to talk to us in front of HTT. You said you would get back to us. This is not the way I expected.

Brady, I can't believe what you just said above. Have you read what you posted to me on this tread? I never once said anything bad about II in this tread or on any other web site regarding the HTT ss Golden Nuggett until you and your croney distributors provoked me yesterday. You said in your PM to me you would not post on the web site the dyno results, as you valued our friendship. Is that not the truth? You chose to tell your distributors about my experience on the dyno, and tried to compare the Silver Bullet and the HTTss 66/71/16 as a failure on HTT's part. Is that not the truth? I have told the truth, and I have posted on other web sites about my dyno experience with the G. N. including this tread. II didn't invent the S300 turbo either? I'm not trying to to defame your character or anyone elses, your'e doing a good job on here by yourself. The reason I didn't want to talk to you in front of HTT in Las Vegas, is I felt it was a private matter between you and me. Obviously now you have decided to air it publicly on TDR.



"You have tried to defame my character and I will not stand for it. " Me either!!

I have nothing more to say, and appreciate you hyjacking my tread. I wish you and II all the future success.

 

[woodsrat]

They have proven them selves time and time again that they are not just partners in R&D but true friends. When I made the design to go out on my own and build a Pro Stock Truck , Brady was one of the first , immediately flying to Texas, to support me , and had Checks in hand , along with Mike Wood of NX , Mat Snow of Snow Boost Cooler and Barry Votner or NADP . These are guys you can count on, their word is absolute.

Comp did you not just bash steve for free stuff and taking money in a pevious post? Which I know for a fact that he has paid for what he has. And then you post that II was the 1st ones to fly out and give you a check. (This has nothing to do with II this post is for comp) After reading all this I finally got to meet steve in vegas last week he is a standup guy.

 

[BradyWilliams]

FACT:

According to the dyno test, on this particular truck, same day, same dyno, same fueling, same barometeric pressure, the Silver Bullet out performed the "Golden nugget" by 62 HP.



I hope HTT's integrity is as good as you claim so that our Silver Bullet will not be copied.

 

[DCreed]

so... ah... any news on the turbo??